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alarimer

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124. Legal but very, very WRONG.

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 10:02 PM

Jun 2013

It should not be legal and, with any luck, the Supreme Court (if it had any guts at all) would declare this unconstitutional.

Your fucking government is SPYING on you! I am so sick of the passive bullshit. "Oh, it's okay because it's legal."

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A truly FRIGHTENING post on DU today...."10 things to know about Snowden". [View all] bvar22 Jun 2013 OP

I'm waiting for the child pornography or the rape charge newmember Jun 2013 #1

Yep, time to "Scott Ritter" him... cascadiance Jun 2013 #6

the problem is that Ritter really did have a thing for little girls dsc Jun 2013 #16

How much you want to bet though Ritter never would have been in trouble... cascadiance Jun 2013 #32

well his first arrest for this was way before he became famous dsc Jun 2013 #35

Um--he was in trouble--twice--before he every became 'famous.' So other than a time machine, msanthrope Jun 2013 #68

Sometimes dirtbags ALSO do something we like. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #173

They forgot... SkyDaddy7 Jun 2013 #163

why assume that expressed outrage of a specific subject thefool_wa Jun 2013 #234

Yeah, you might not want to use Ritter as an example of someone being unfairly maligned.... SidDithers Jun 2013 #26

Caught red handed, was he? Octafish Jun 2013 #39

Right. The BFEE made him show his junk to someone posing as a 15 year-old... SidDithers Jun 2013 #44

Wow. Odd that you find comedy gold in what happened to Scott Ritter, siddithers. Octafish Jun 2013 #61

No, octafish, I find comedy gold that you think Ritter was set-up... SidDithers Jun 2013 #64

Nowhere did I write that, siddithers. Octafish Jun 2013 #82

OK. The ol' 'I said it, but I didn't say it' ploy... SidDithers Jun 2013 #94

Not a big difference to you, all the difference in the world to me. Octafish Jun 2013 #119

It's hard trying to reason with someone Art_from_Ark Jun 2013 #157

Thanks, Art_from_Ark! The only thing I have on DU is my name. Octafish Jun 2013 #166

Don't sweat it amigo! Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #170

"Caught red handed, was he?" AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #175

So what? I can't have an opinion? Octafish Jun 2013 #185

I don't begrudge you your skepticism. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #187

No one contests Ritter's guilt, including Ritter. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #103

Before anyone knew who he was, yes. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #174

I defend Ritter because he stood up against the war in Iraq. Octafish Jun 2013 #177

Does AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #178

That is the point, isn't it? Octafish Jun 2013 #182

Yeah, we have a selective prosecution issue. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #186

Manufactured sex scandals are the favorite, the CIA said so in a memo released by wikileaks when sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #104

+1 harun Jun 2013 #168

And Eliot Spitzer committed such horrific crimes as well too.... cascadiance Jun 2013 #194

Excellent post. Re DSK, yes, that is an excellent question. He was opposed to much of what sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #199

I confess to totally being convinced of the sex allegations of DSK and having never researched his GoneFishin Jun 2013 #223

Don't feel bad, if it had not been for another DUer here I might have assumed the same thing, sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #245

Very informative. Thanks. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #254

Child porn? Rape? How about RAPE and MURDER? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #106

I guess they didn't see the irony of the article... boston bean Jun 2013 #2

It is very sad to see this happening but on the other hand he isn't playing bean bag. He knew southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #3

Hard to 2nd guess his actions now, because I never had that kind of courage. delrem Jun 2013 #40

No am not that brave. But I know what an loyality oath is because when I worked civil service southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #59

Well, I believe that if Snowden had stayed in the USA, truedelphi Jun 2013 #255

OK, suppose you were evaluating the case of a Nazi official in, say, 1939 Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #203

The whole barrel stinks doesn't it? Thank god we aren't in the Third Reich and the sad thing is southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #227

Your right whatdoyouthink Jun 2013 #244

I still have mixed feelings. I want to know more. Why Hong Kong? Why? southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #247

How did they dig up all that info, you ask? The database Ed Snowden warned us about! reformist2 Jun 2013 #4

No, they cite the Guardian. Doesn't mean POLITICO doesn't suck emulatorloo Jun 2013 #214

He turned me into a newt! Ian David Jun 2013 #5

. Squinch Jun 2013 #36

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #7

They're saving that one for later, if he continues to be a hero. reformist2 Jun 2013 #11

B.B., you seem to have "gotten" it me b zola Jun 2013 #12

They got the talking points really fast, which is probably easy enough actually. They just email sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #115

...and another clown jury plays with free speech. L0oniX Jun 2013 #201

The way the artical is written attempts to portray him as an evil nut............ wandy Jun 2013 #43

He's also an acrobat-abandoner! Octafish Jun 2013 #8

Someone posted in the below thread that s/he was afraid Snowden "did something" to her smokey nj Jun 2013 #19

The insanity is overwhelming. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #28

The BOG Un-American Activities Committee has been very busy. QC Jun 2013 #9

see you and the club in a few days... Whisp Jun 2013 #20

baggers like lindsey graham? frylock Jun 2013 #107

It takes a really special kingd of person DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #121

And Ann Coulter is criticizing the President and administration for it, just like you! nt stevenleser Jun 2013 #176

wow. she never criticizes the president. this is groundbreaking.. frylock Jun 2013 #198

Aw, frylock haz a sad, his logical fallacy was thrown back at him. Moral of the story? stevenleser Jun 2013 #202

if you're too stupid to figure out the difference from lindsey graham who is against EVERYTHING.. frylock Jun 2013 #207

Justifying one logical fallacy (Guilt by Association) with another? (Ad hominem) stevenleser Jun 2013 #209

all we get around here is logical fallacies anymore.. frylock Jun 2013 #229

Yea ...and now anyone who critcizes the POTUS is just like her. L0oniX Jun 2013 #208

False equivalency expert? L0oniX Jun 2013 #206

What is BOG? -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #42

A fever swamp. n/t QC Jun 2013 #52

Here Fumesucker Jun 2013 #57

I see, thank you! -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #66

Barack Obama Groupies Skittles Jun 2013 #71

A bog is a nasty cesspool of deteriorating organic matter. morningfog Jun 2013 #116

The BOGUAC Capt. Obvious Jun 2013 #226

And none of those things would bother 'em if Bush was still in the WH MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #10

Oh those folks would be leading the... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #17

Disgusting, isn't it? -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #77

Yup, it is. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #81

Yes. alarimer Jun 2013 #122

I think liberals are smarter. But I think Du has been "infiltrated"... Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #130

You can tell the ones who are here only to disrupt and insult people. Maedhros Jun 2013 #137

No surprise the WH and intelligence community seek to discredit Snowden. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #13

More hilarious than frightening LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #14

I call one of my neighbors... one_voice Jun 2013 #72

don't know where you live, but if your animal control rules forbid this mistreatment spooky3 Jun 2013 #191

We have a law that allows an one_voice Jun 2013 #219

That's horrible. Good on ya for doing everything possible to help these poor animals. spooky3 Jun 2013 #221

Coalition to Unchain Dogs WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2013 #196

The number of out and out authoritarians on DU has been climbing steadily for years Fumesucker Jun 2013 #15

I prefer Maddow and O'Donnell reporting over Greenwald's emulatorloo Jun 2013 #211

David Brooks got quite a few recs today on DU Fumesucker Jun 2013 #237

Brooks is a tool, that's for sure. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #248

Well this information is easy to figure out Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #18

Isn't this a callout? ucrdem Jun 2013 #21

There aren't any rules on DU anymore, just juries of the moment and popularity contests alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #30

Nobody seems particularly frightened here. ucrdem Jun 2013 #37

They're freedom fighters, struggling against the "authoritarians," their imagined enemy of the week alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #48

Another Ron Paul fan gets the hero treatment, go figure. ucrdem Jun 2013 #53

That one alone was enough for me. savalez Jun 2013 #131

An absolutely TRAGIC thought Number23 Jun 2013 #80

Watching the little cliques have at each other these last few days has been rather tragi-comic alcibiades_mystery Jun 2013 #87

Oh, yeah!? Well, if any of you guys touches me, I'll kill ya, If you touch my stuff, I'll kill ya. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #126

Stripes! savalez Jun 2013 #129

Kangaroo courts. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #102

Why do you BOrGers always talk amongst yourselves in threads? BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #139

It's nothing personal ucrdem Jun 2013 #151

Actually, both sides do it elias7 Jun 2013 #189

I think that echo chamber effect might be soothing BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #192

LOL ...you noticed this already? L0oniX Jun 2013 #204

In high school, its called a "Circle Jerk". bvar22 Jun 2013 #239

SDS. forestpath Jun 2013 #22

We can't have the truth exposed about this "whistleblower"? baldguy Jun 2013 #23

Observing the desperate discrediting program when the toothpaste is already out of the tube TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #117

"Lived comfortably"? I'm sure glad the prez is living in a tent. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #24

Adding #s here: UTUSN Jun 2013 #25

He is NOT a whistleblower. Whisleblowers leak illegal things. The stuff Snowden leaked was legal. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #27

Just like torturers should be arrested and put on trial Fumesucker Jun 2013 #29

I want to know what "Little Bird" said it was a good time to pull this? Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #34

+1 n/t Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #73

It's legal because it hasn't been challenged. Marr Jun 2013 #108

The modus operandi of authoritarian governments woo me with science Jun 2013 #114

Legal but very, very WRONG. alarimer Jun 2013 #124

+ 1 classykaren Jun 2013 #172

You have a funny idea of the definition of "whistleblower". JoeyT Jun 2013 #125

Why is it so very important to say he isnt a whistle-blower? I notice that when rhett o rick Jun 2013 #127

Hear Hear snagglepuss Jun 2013 #217

Legal? Slavery was legal under the Constitution. It still was immoral. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #138

If it's all legal why should he be on trial? BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #140

What NSA is doing is currently legal under law. What Snowden DID was illegal. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #141

The founding fathers were traitors to their country and king BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #143

Authoritarians argue that the spying is legal Maedhros Jun 2013 #231

"No one is saying that Obama broke the law. bvar22 Jun 2013 #249

What if it turns out that the entire program is unconstitutional? JDPriestly Jun 2013 #146

I saw a short news clip tonight ... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #149

Did that news show happen to mention how many times the FISA Court DENIED... bvar22 Jun 2013 #246

and 4th -- unreasonable searches and seizures spooky3 Jun 2013 #193

If "The stuff Snowden leaked was legal", then why "put him on trial"? 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #152

See my text in Comment #141 Tx4obama Jun 2013 #154

I know this can be a bit confusing but... Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #153

And if Congress were to pass any law and the Pres where to sign it and it was unconstitutional... Tx4obama Jun 2013 #155

Actually we do Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #156

Thank you. woo me with science Jun 2013 #161

oh yes we do, ultimately grasswire Jun 2013 #257

Slavery was once legal. Do you have a point I should give a shit about? n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #184

+1 L0oniX Jun 2013 #210

does she ever? frylock Jun 2013 #232

Oh I see ...legal makes it right. L0oniX Jun 2013 #212

So you want to set the rules what people should or should not post? still_one Jun 2013 #31

LOL. He was commenting on the post, not 'setting the rules' for posting. Lex Jun 2013 #118

He was commenting how "frightening" the post was. What drama still_one Jun 2013 #142

That's just commentary, not rule-making. Lex Jun 2013 #197

Alright I agree still_one Jun 2013 #235

This place is toast whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #33

Agree LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #54

Naw gleannfia Jun 2013 #85

Nah, this is the entertainment factor that keeps it alive. The palpable panic and wild-eyed Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #88

Fast approaching entertainment only status. harun Jun 2013 #169

Not so 'frightening' if you ignore the threads that seem silly. randome Jun 2013 #38

Perfect example of nineteen50 Jun 2013 #41

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #45

He didn't finish high school! The Link Jun 2013 #46

Forget the old standard until guilty nineteen50 Jun 2013 #47

This is DU, not LU upi402 Jun 2013 #49

Perdonome? Ahem.. excuse me? ReRe Jun 2013 #95

He has several overdue library books. DirkGently Jun 2013 #50

String the bastard up. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #98

And RedBox DVDs pecwae Jun 2013 #162

While most of that list ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #51

Agreed. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #148

Yep … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #259

A list of important things I need to know about my whistle blowers noamnety Jun 2013 #55

"He doesn't finish anything marions ghost Jun 2013 #83

Great post. nt Demo_Chris Jun 2013 #179

Seriously, ProSense Jun 2013 #56

Aren't all CIA employees required to have a tracking chip? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2013 #58

Another tempest in a tea pot quakerboy Jun 2013 #60

+++++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #79

I don't understand why so many people have trouble with the concept that dflprincess Jun 2013 #62

^ + 1,000 !!! upi402 Jun 2013 #63

Because ProSense Jun 2013 #69

Exactly. ucrdem Jun 2013 #75

The subpoenas are overbroad. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #147

Bush was doing it illegally for one thing. ucrdem Jun 2013 #70

precisely. i've seen some exotic conspiracy theories and pretzel logic here... nashville_brook Jun 2013 #78

The weird thing is that the conspiracizing about Snowden is by people who usually treat CT leveymg Jun 2013 #91

Good point n/t Fumesucker Jun 2013 #109

+1 Marr Jun 2013 #110

Bingo! n/t markpkessinger Jun 2013 #128

yep +10000 azurnoir Jun 2013 #145

Judging from the replies you got it doesn't matter if it's right SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #213

Apparently so dflprincess Jun 2013 #260

Roger That - The Duplicity In Response Is Telling cantbeserious Jun 2013 #253

Jeez, if being an "unfriendly" neighbor is enough to LibDemAlways Jun 2013 #65

they've released a disturbing picture of him markiv Jun 2013 #67

a lot of people are perfectly fine with indentured servitude, to bust wages markiv Jun 2013 #74

k & r! nt wildbilln864 Jun 2013 #76

+100000.....Yes, the smear campaign against Snowden woo me with science Jun 2013 #84

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #86

Yes, that's about the caliber of response woo me with science Jun 2013 #92

The meds don't work. Really WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2013 #96

+1000, for catching the irony, that those who claim the program is harmless markiv Jun 2013 #89

Yes, it's chilling, woo me with science Jun 2013 #93

K&R'd! snot Jun 2013 #90

never thought I'd see the day when Michael Moore and Glenn Beckkk praised the same guy.. PatrynXX Jun 2013 #97

Yep. the STENCH of the smear machine is really overpowering on DU recently. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #99

Agreed -- utterly appalling! n/t markpkessinger Jun 2013 #100

bvar22, honey bunny.... ReRe Jun 2013 #101

"You gonna believe a guy who looks at this kind of porn?", a White House spokesman said, Marr Jun 2013 #105

Everybody receiving a security clearance goes through an FBI alfredo Jun 2013 #111

Yup, when my son went through it they did an extensive check Marrah_G Jun 2013 #183

Once you are inside, you realize your ass belongs to them. alfredo Jun 2013 #225

He doesn't do intel work, he does IT type work both as an airman and as a civilian. Marrah_G Jun 2013 #228

That's good. alfredo Jun 2013 #230

I am stunned at the collection of... 99Forever Jun 2013 #112

Fascist apologia is in vogue on DU now. morningfog Jun 2013 #113

OMG!!!!! WTF!!!!! Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #120

If it's so amusing, why not share with us how many are delcaring him a saint or hero Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #132

Come on, folks...get a grip. FLyellowdog Jun 2013 #123

Did he consort with known thespians? MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #133

He masticates in public, too. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #135

OH GOD, NO! MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #136

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2013 #134

Pathetic pmorlan1 Jun 2013 #144

I think the whole point timdog44 Jun 2013 #150

Not a GD host, but am on the fence, so my vote would be leave mtnester Jun 2013 #158

Kick, Rec. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #159

Yes. DU post were frightening 6/10/13. In_The_Wind Jun 2013 #160

The argument has now shifted Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #164

I can't figure out their argument. Maedhros Jun 2013 #233

Attacking sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #165

And some people chose to believe Glenn Greenwald is a hero davidpdx Jun 2013 #167

CNN is trying to discredit him because he claimed to make $200,000 zeeland Jun 2013 #171

It's pathetic isn't it? Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #181

It is a sign of desperation. bvar22 Jun 2013 #236

This type of information is easily obtained. DCBob Jun 2013 #180

It's sad to see so-called liberals try to discredit a whistle blower here on this site. Apophis Jun 2013 #188

rec #200 n/t carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #190

K&R! The assholes here trying to slime Snowden are pure fucking scum. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #195

Agent Mike has a huge group of followers here. L0oniX Jun 2013 #216

Maybe Agent Mike has a bunch of socks? bvar22 Jun 2013 #250

Here's another: "Lived in WinkyDink's area!" WinkyDink Jun 2013 #200

"lives in Winky Dinks area." snagglepuss Jun 2013 #218

So what? Dumbass POLITICO stories get posted here all the time. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #205

11. Rides his bike on the sidewalk KamaAina Jun 2013 #215

my neighbor tried to put up a Dusk to Dawn 20 Million Candle Power Parking Lot Security Light RILib Jun 2013 #220

One of his trouser legs is slightly too short. sibelian Jun 2013 #222

He left the cap off the toothpaste. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #224

you have hit the nail on the head sir. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #238

**The Jury is IN !** bvar22 Jun 2013 #240

Crikey - glad to see you squeaked by. truedelphi Jun 2013 #256

Thanks. bvar22 Jun 2013 #261

Agree, want to emphasize two points: existentialist Jun 2013 #241

Plus he kills off all the characters I like, starting with Eddard Stark. tclambert Jun 2013 #242

They will destroy him before long whatdoyouthink Jun 2013 #243

Ephesians 6:13 AnneD Jun 2013 #251

The Character Assassination Begins cantbeserious Jun 2013 #252

Reading this, and all … 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #258