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In reply to the discussion: Can someone confirm for me that the 4th Amendment even applies? [View all]pipoman
(16,038 posts)freely turned over to third parties all the time. Your actual phone calls go through a third party and listening to them without a warrant is an established violation of the 4th. The information you turn over to an insurance company isn't discoverable without a warrant. It comes down to "expectation of privacy", and frankly I believe people should have an expectation of privacy when they are paying a service company for handling their affairs, including a telephone company.
If I tell you that I will likely repeat any story that you tell me, and you thereafter tell me a story that I repeat to the feds, is that a violation of your 4th amendment rights?
No, you can't violate my 4th amendment rights, only the government can..If I am paying you with an expectation of privacy, and you violate that privacy, I will likely prevail in a civil suit. If the feds burst into your office and seize my personal information without a warrant, then my 4th amendment rights may have been violated. If they burst into your office with a warrant for the documents pertaining to Charlie Brown and seize my documents too they may have violated my 4th amendment rights..
I find it unnerving how many people hereabouts are eager to try to justify this rather than demanding accountability and privacy..guess the whole bush terrorist threat nonsense has finally become truth for some..you know what they say, 'repeat a lie enough and it will become truth', eh?