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In reply to the discussion: WaPo Misread Powerpoint- Story on Feds tapping directly into internet companies was wrong & rushed [View all]caseymoz
(5,763 posts)150. I give up.
I don't see any "completely accurate" support for what GG said in his comments. The guy makes some claims, but he spends most of the time talking about how he's right and everyone else is wrong.
Not seeing might just mean you should look closer. Really, 99% of people who were faced with the same constant level of idiotic, lowdown attacks by total hypocrites, would sound just like he does, but not everyone would provide the devastating information that proves he's right. He talks about how he's right because he's been right since at least 2006. He keeps talking about it because it's been clear as pure water, and he sounds like he has a persecution complex because he's received the most vicious attacks from the people he should have been supporting him but who turned into hypocrites when Obama was elected. He has to the complete, total right to fight back against it and to never stop reminding people of this, and never stop pointing it out until he's not under attack anymore.
He plays the "I don't want to live in a world where...." card, and I have to wonder if he's either a double agent or thinking this will produce an international version of "suicide by cop."
Now I'm losing minimal respect for you. He's not self-destructing. Your "suicide by cop" is the stupidest Orwellian doublespeak excuse for the intelligence establishment and it's duped cadres of useful idiots that I've ever seen anybody on this board give. Then you said this,
"He's self-destructing, when he didn't have to go that way. He could have gone to the chair/ranking at either one of the Intel Committees, and aired his gripes. If there were any surprises, his concerns would have been addressed."
Here are your assumptions: 1) They would speak to him? 2) They would tell him the truth? 3) They would do anything? 4) They wouldn't put him on a watch list? 5) They would not make him disappear now or later as the President has claimed the right to do?
You don't understand the basics of what's going on here. Our government is violating the Bill of Rights, the supreme law of the land. Anybody in Congress can see what's written in the 4th Amendment. If they are going to ignore the clear words written there, they are not going to listen to anybody's "gripes." We're beyond where complaints made politely and properly are going to persuade anybody in power.
His articles have all been about this: the system's broken; it's not working. You suggest that Greenwald must pretend that it's working until it does? Your computer's broken, do you pretend that it works until it does?
Now I know why you despise Greenwald. You have the opposite mental illness as paranoia. Absolutely nothing alerts you, and you hate being warned.Paranoia might be in mental illness, but in nature, a paranoid person would survive much longer than you would.
I have taken your source apart; your response is to level more attacks against Greenwald, and I'm sorry to say, they just sound stupider. All they've done is cause me to lose the minimal respect for you. Since that means I can only insult you, I think our discussion is closed. Please satisfy any further need you feel to continue it by rereading what I've written.
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WaPo Misread Powerpoint- Story on Feds tapping directly into internet companies was wrong & rushed [View all]
kpete
Jun 2013
OP
No he did not get his facts right--he got most of them horribly WRONG. He created a kerfluffle
MADem
Jun 2013
#97
Then get a load of Maureen "Do you think I'm sexy" Dowd calling POTUS "Barry" in the NYT.
MADem
Jun 2013
#117
Thank you for putting in the time and effort to make such a salient rebuttal (nt)
Babel_17
Jun 2013
#109
He may be a lawyer, but that doesn't mean he isn't a putzy blogger n/t
sweetloukillbot
Jun 2013
#122
Greenwald is a lawyer, and, FYI, I posted the link to the Guardian article on the source of his
MADem
Jun 2013
#140
The co-author of the WaPo story was Laura Poitras. She is getting ready to release the final install
okaawhatever
Jun 2013
#16
Judith Miller published, in the NYT, whatever the Bush WH gave her to publish.
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#83
Yup... Same technique as Nixon's ratfucking crew used. They've never stopped using it, either.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#59
or wapo got pressure to back down. who knows? it wouldn't be the first time, e.g. sf mercury &
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#6
as i didn't make any claim to be offering anything but speculation ("who knows?"), i don't need to
HiPointDem
Jun 2013
#12
So you're just engaging in wild speculation with no evidence to back up your claim.
Cali_Democrat
Jun 2013
#13
I'll admit to speculating based on the fact that the companies were all getting heat
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#50
That poster should be shown the door for that post. That two jurors excused that is unreal
Number23
Jun 2013
#102
That was my first thought also. More will come out and we hopefully will see what is what. nt
Mojorabbit
Jun 2013
#26
One of the WaPo "reporters" is actually a film producer -- doesn't even work for the Washington Post
FarCenter
Jun 2013
#11
+1000. I only wish DU gave us the ability to block certain names. GG would be my first.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2013
#85
Our M$M is never ever sloppy, half assed, rushed or lead by bright and shinning things so this
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#10
You have a good point, with both of them being off or imcompetent I'd rather vote for a good congres
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#65
U.S., company officials: Internet surveillance does not indiscriminately mine data
FarCenter
Jun 2013
#21
My understanding is that the government has access to our data stored with these companies,
limpyhobbler
Jun 2013
#22
Acquiring 97 billion pieces of info in one month doesn't seem like a limited and targeted program.
dkf
Jun 2013
#29
Media is in such a hurry to get the scoop first that they're willing to sacrifice their integrity.
BenzoDia
Jun 2013
#63
Might One Be Interested In Some Land In Florida - Government Agents Guarantee It Is Good
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#61
Then why oh why is the Obama administration threatening legal action against the whistle-blower?
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#87
Because the 'WaPo story being inaccurate', and 'Prism being Real' are not mutually exclusive.
brett_jv
Jun 2013
#135
kpete, they are not directly on the servers, BUT they have the ability to "TASK" the servers.
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#101
Thanks! So, we're now at the point of this story where selected facts can mask the truth (nt)
Babel_17
Jun 2013
#111
If there is no direct access to the servers how would it know what to add to the drop box?
dkf
Jun 2013
#120
Simon’s followup: he says the debate in the comments on his previous post changed his mind on a few
kpete
Jun 2013
#115
The Washington Post can be just a political tool, inflicting harm on the Obama administration
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#118
Kick and Rec. Apparently this falsehood is "conventional wisdom" at DU now.
emulatorloo
Jun 2013
#126