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Liberal_Stalwart71

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10. People here are getting angry at me for simply stating the truth...

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:23 AM

Jun 2013

If we're so concerned about NSA snooping, then we have a responsibility to call members of Congress and demand, not only a repeal of the Patriot Act, but also that they exercise their oversight function. In addition, if so concerned, pass bills that drastically reduce the president's war powers. Congress has the power to do this, but too many people have made this about Obama and how horrible he is.

So when I started my thread, I started it by attacking the premise "Obama is evil like Bush" that has been shouted around this forum now for several years.

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Bush broke the law. President Obama followed it. [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

thank you very much SummerSnow Jun 2013 #1

DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2013 #2

The 4th doesn't apply to you. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #12

... SidDithers Jun 2013 #14

Bush thought the Constitution was just a goddamned piece of paper DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #18

Your avatar disagrees with you. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #24

blah, blah, blah cali Jun 2013 #3

I wouldn't hold your breath for a reply.... Javaman Jun 2013 #29

"the poster only attacks the soft targets and not those who are well informed." ProSense Jun 2013 #31

LOL so why don't you reply to Cali instead of me? Javaman Jun 2013 #32

And ProSense Jun 2013 #33

oh you showed me! Javaman Jun 2013 #36

Yes, I did. ProSense Jun 2013 #39

okay then. Javaman Jun 2013 #40

"Now, to play your silly little linky game- albeit without the bizarre self-referential dogshit." ProSense Jun 2013 #30

Same policy. kentuck Jun 2013 #4

Wrong. ProSense Jun 2013 #6

Wrong. kentuck Jun 2013 #16

"They said you have to get a warrant but they kept right on spying" ProSense Jun 2013 #20

Don't worry, we got it under control, Boss... kentuck Jun 2013 #22

I'm not sure ProSense Jun 2013 #25

Just because Congress made the political decision to make it legal... kentuck Jun 2013 #34

That is ProSense Jun 2013 #37

Here is the point I was trying to make: kentuck Jun 2013 #44

That doesn't say anything about making illegal warrantless wiretapping legal. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #46

What is your definition of "wiretapping"?? kentuck Jun 2013 #47

Again, ProSense Jun 2013 #49

* 99Forever Jun 2013 #5

"People also need to stop pretending that the U.S. doesn't have a history of surveillance." sibelian Jun 2013 #7

You, sibelian ProSense Jun 2013 #8

Still trying by peddling bullshit? You really should give it up. Dawgs Jun 2013 #9

Well, it ProSense Jun 2013 #13

You post no assertions or source in dispute, noted uponit7771 Jun 2013 #15

It's endless and so too are the ops self-important self-referential links cali Jun 2013 #17

People here are getting angry at me for simply stating the truth... Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2013 #10

The folks sceaming the loudest don't seem to be interested in improving anything. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #21

Your wife is right Andy823 Jun 2013 #26

Agree ... JoePhilly Jun 2013 #28

Yep Andy823 Jun 2013 #42

This OP was just posted ... makes the point I'm making. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #43

You know who else was just "following the law"? leeroysphitz Jun 2013 #11

Obama has handled this matter better than Bush did. Laelth Jun 2013 #19

I agree. Andy823 Jun 2013 #27

A big part of the problem ProSense Jun 2013 #54

Well done!! bushisanidiot Jun 2013 #23

John Oliver has the best observation about your premise... Pholus Jun 2013 #35

Tssk... ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #38

No, ProSense Jun 2013 #41

So you defend it not because it's right but because it's legal. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #45

*Supposedly* legal. Marr Jun 2013 #51

I know.. but I have given up on this debate. SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #52

According to the Constitution, international treaties have the force of U.S. law. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #48

Bush broke the law. Obama pronounced the crime legal (while blocking judicial review). Marr Jun 2013 #50

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #53