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In reply to the discussion: So, it's okay if Obama spies on the American people [View all]cascadiance
(19,537 posts)87. And appointments to FISA court (Kollar-Kotelly) have been very political too...
This woman after having already been nominated for the FISA court by Bush right before the 2002 midterm elections on the weekend before these elections in the final court resolution on the Microsoft case overturned the ONLY court decision since the AT&T breakup of trying to use the Sherman anti-trust act to break up any kind of monopolistic company.
http://www.zdnet.com/news/ms-doj-states-file-antitrust-settlement/126210
Ashcroft and company when they took over defending the appeal of the earlier decision made from the Clinton era prosecutions, etc. did nothing to defend the government's case against Microsoft.
Kollar-Kotelly, seemed to already have money in the bags for her compliance in this decision from the PTB with the FISA court appointment which she subsequently became the head of. And she made this decision the weekend before the midterm elections. Just in time for Republicans to be able to go around the stump saying how the Bush administration has helped American business "stay solid", etc. with the Kollar-Kotelly decision fresh out in the news, but not long enough for those who opposed this decision to prepare and get printed out any sort of reasonable response in the press to help Democrats respond to such claims in a constructive way then. The whole decision and timing of it stank heavily. And that she was appointed to the FISA court smelled as well about how things would be done on the FISA court subsequently (or not done!)...
However, she's one of the few justices on the FISA court that the right wing goes after for questioning the earlier NSA warrants that went through the court. Given her earlier history, it makes you wonder what the other justices did to get on this court and how "compliant" they are to what the PTB want...
http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2007/08/president-kollar-kotelly-alias-activist-fisa-judge-at-it-again/
So even though the FISA court was manipulated as hell to help our "security state" gain more power, even that body was a barrier that had to be removed or disempowered. We do have a very large boiling pot of water that we all as frogs are very slowly being cooked in! We're almost "done" unless we get more whistleblowers, etc. that try to tip it over...
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They made what Bush did legal, but it is still unconstitutional as is the amendment they added to
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#15
The courts have been wrong before on what is Constitutional. Why would any Democrat
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#25
sorry, it is legal. They could REINTERPRET IT, but only if ALL vote straight democratic to get a new
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#27
Who cares about silly *constitutional* details? Obama BAD BAD BAD!!!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#42
The constitution says that the courts have the final say on what is constitutional
bhikkhu
Jun 2013
#81
Thanks for this!! Just my opinion, but I don't think Obama is the liar here.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#41
And appointments to FISA court (Kollar-Kotelly) have been very political too...
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#87
Who gets to decide insanity or what's "certifiable"? You? Certainly not.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#43
So, I see. Because you've written stuff for 11 years, that gives you the authority to judge others
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#65
I haven't judged anybody. I said you could tell apologists by what they write.
Octafish
Jun 2013
#71
Ah, but you did my friend. The word "certifiable" says it all. And then you cut and paste
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#72
You have committed the crime of not keeping a detailed record of every asinine post or thought
Number23
Jun 2013
#75
Shame on me!! I should know better that DUers know what's best for everyone and I dare not
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#79
I don't approve. And, for a warrant to be issued, probable cause needs to be established and
byeya
Jun 2013
#9
Well we could always go back to the pre-FISA era, I dont advise it but if you want it then
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#46
What did Obama cut out? We know what Bush did and we know he got away with it,
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#31
Sweetheart, I was calling Bushler a criminal over this and other abuses before you ever got here.
kenny blankenship
Jun 2013
#51
"I was calling Bushler a criminal over this and other abuses before you ever got here."
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#63
All they have to do is look around and see who their "friends" are on this issue.
Peregrine Took
Jun 2013
#30
And Ari Fleischer. I'm sure we'll hear from more of the neocons who created the mess we are in
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#33
My guide is always the Constitution and the oath taken by our elected officials. When you stick
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#34
No! It is not o.k., but there's no evidence of spying on American citizens.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#40
Secret wholesale data collection, secret meetings, secret warrants, secret courts, secret judges
RC
Jun 2013
#66
Bush started the spying before the Patriot Act was passed and argued FISA slowed them too
Thinkingabout
Jun 2013
#82