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In reply to the discussion: Bush broke the law. President Obama followed it. [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)30. "Now, to play your silly little linky game- albeit without the bizarre self-referential dogshit."
Oh, it's you.
Still, thanks for the first link, which makes my point:
On the campaign trail, candidate Barack Obama decried the privacy invasions of the Bush surveillance program in 2007, saying it put forward a false choice between the liberties we cherish and the security we provide. Though these comments referred to different (and, often, illegal) programs than the ones now being widely discussed, we now know that surveillance programs started under the Bush administration have been extensively expanded during his presidency.
Bush came under attack because he bypassed the FISA court and went directly to intentionally spying on Americans. Bush broke the law (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022973979).
Bush was actually wiretapping Americans.
While many details about the program remain secret, officials familiar with it say the N.S.A. eavesdrops without warrants on up to 500 people in the United States at any given time. The list changes as some names are added and others dropped, so the number monitored in this country may have reached into the thousands since the program began, several officials said. Overseas, about 5,000 to 7,000 people suspected of terrorist ties are monitored at one time, according to those officials.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022959557
Oh, and you failed at the "silly little linky game," but you mastered the self-righteous self-importance with your "dogshit" comment.
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"the poster only attacks the soft targets and not those who are well informed."
ProSense
Jun 2013
#31
"Now, to play your silly little linky game- albeit without the bizarre self-referential dogshit."
ProSense
Jun 2013
#30
That doesn't say anything about making illegal warrantless wiretapping legal. n/t
ProSense
Jun 2013
#46
"People also need to stop pretending that the U.S. doesn't have a history of surveillance."
sibelian
Jun 2013
#7
The folks sceaming the loudest don't seem to be interested in improving anything.
JoePhilly
Jun 2013
#21
According to the Constitution, international treaties have the force of U.S. law.
hobbit709
Jun 2013
#48