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43. Do you support the right to a trial before conviction

Reply to Nuclear Unicorn (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 02:40 PM

Jun 2013

or are you curiously selective about civil liberties that matter to you.

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They did NOT listen to your phone calls. Repeat: They did NOT listen to your phone calls [View all] Uzair Jun 2013 OP

BUT...BUT...BUT Drale Jun 2013 #1

I think you mean that legally they're not supposed to. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #2

If anyone on this board is having a brain melting explosion of outrage... gcomeau Jun 2013 #3

I would have put that in a less vociferous way but...yeah! randome Jun 2013 #9

Awesome! JoePhilly Jun 2013 #13

One hint might be... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #18

Expecting evidence resulting from a classified/covert operation dgibby Jun 2013 #29

That confuses me. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #42

I'm saying that we will not be given the evidence or the results. dgibby Jun 2013 #71

Of course we'll know. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #74

Of course not. dgibby Jun 2013 #77

I'm open to hearing more. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #88

i don't know. dgibby Jun 2013 #113

Maybe they didn't/don't fredamae Jun 2013 #4

No Recursion Jun 2013 #10

What I'm hearing so far fredamae Jun 2013 #23

If they are storing phone content, that's news to me. Got a source? (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #27

Well, lol-Can you prove fredamae Jun 2013 #44

I can tell you how much storage that would take, and how it's about 10 times the amount of storage Recursion Jun 2013 #45

Zettabytes n/t fredamae Jun 2013 #47

And there's two of those in the world (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #61

How many Yottabyte Centers" fredamae Jun 2013 #70

feels different snooper2 Jun 2013 #31

EVERYTHING digital is stored forever. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #20

Why is this sort of Security Task contracted out to begin with? rrneck Jun 2013 #36

I'm afraid we don't know that. cali Jun 2013 #5

^^^This^^^ premium Jun 2013 #11

If ProSense Jun 2013 #17

from the op: "you may now resume your regularly scheduled poutrage" cali Jun 2013 #39

& you will resume posting fabricated bullshit on the forum ... eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #105

This is just hilarious Uzair Jun 2013 #83

The problem isn't that Obama broke the law, the problem is that he didn't need to PID767 Jun 2013 #6

Where has a law been broken exactly? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #21

Because of the unwillingness disidoro01 Jun 2013 #7

That's false. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #16

Do you disidoro01 Jun 2013 #73

A few things. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #101

FYI OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #107

Thanks ... looks like the 1700ish number was for 2011. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #109

Joe disidoro01 Jun 2013 #108

See the response to me with "FYI" above yours ... it has a year by year list of the requests. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #112

If we learned ANYTHING from "The Wire" KinMd Jun 2013 #8

You can't know one way or another for sure. Nobody can. You see, it's all a "secret." PSPS Jun 2013 #12

BILLING information is what appears to have been collected. IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #14

Here's a little something for you, Ida.. Cha Jun 2013 #124

OMG -- IdaBriggs Jun 2013 #130

Um.. the problem with this is.. it doesn't work SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #15

storing is not in and of itself spying... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #24

What does that have to do with the fact that it doesn't work? SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #28

and what is supposed to be outraging me exactly? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #34

LOL... SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #40

So if these patterns are not worth spending money on VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #63

by the way....digital storage space is cheap!!! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #64

Why do you keep comparing terrorism to shopping? SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #69

I work with data every day.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #82

Uh.. Ok... SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #94

We are NOT broke... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #96

Perhaps you haven't seen this... KurtNYC Jun 2013 #50

At least it provides techies a steady job and (I heard) a fairly good paycheck... Amonester Jun 2013 #59

Then why did Clapper commit perjury? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #19

Do you support the right to a trial before conviction Progressive dog Jun 2013 #43

Clapper testified under oath that there was no blanket data-gathering operations being conducted Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #49

I already knew how you would vote as a juror Progressive dog Jun 2013 #55

When a person consciously states something they know to be false that person is lying. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #57

No I'm asserting that he has not been convicted of perjury Progressive dog Jun 2013 #65

"When do you suppose the congress will charge him?" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #67

There you go and when he's convicted I'll assert Progressive dog Jun 2013 #68

Do you assert he told the truth? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #81

How would I know Progressive dog Jun 2013 #93

Whatever. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #110

So where's the Wyden accused Clapper of perjury part nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #111

You're being as ridiculous and disingenous as Clapper trying to explain away his outright lying Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #114

When you claim that someone lies, you have to prove it Progressive dog Jun 2013 #117

What weasel word? You're not making any direct assertions. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #118

Facts not in evidence, so no direct assertions Progressive dog Jun 2013 #120

You're as lousy a liar as Clapper Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #121

Coming from you, that is a compliment Progressive dog Jun 2013 #123

*crickets* frylock Jun 2013 #97

Traffic analysis... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #22

How do you KNOW they did NOT listen to MY phone calls? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #25

For fuck's sake. Uzair Jun 2013 #84

Obama said they didn't record MY calls? Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #87

Oh! Oh! I know! Marr Jun 2013 #115

If anyone listens to my phone calls Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #26

You and me both eissa Jun 2013 #32

lol! HappyMe Jun 2013 #37

That's because everyone knows you're a Bieber-ite. randome Jun 2013 #60

And in a related story ... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #76

Whether or not they listen to your phone calls isn't the issue, not really. PDJane Jun 2013 #30

And we know this... how? krispos42 Jun 2013 #33

The storage capacity in the Utah Data Center is beyond what you imagine... SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #46

So, a billion terabytes in a zettabyte krispos42 Jun 2013 #125

Were you not listening when Obama said so? Uzair Jun 2013 #85

I don't believe him. krispos42 Jun 2013 #129

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the numbskulls raging about are not interested in what actually happened MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #38

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Then I'm sure you don't mind handing your Facebook friends list to the feds. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #48

+1. All these bored white people need new hobbies. sagat Jun 2013 #51

white people? frylock Jun 2013 #99

Okay, since you believe everything you are told, what do you make of this... KurtNYC Jun 2013 #52

*I* believe everything I'm told? Uzair Jun 2013 #86

why do YOU believe the word of the president? frylock Jun 2013 #100

Because the preponderance of evidence is with the shit and Obama did NOT say that they weren't KurtNYC Jun 2013 #131

But they may have stored it. dkf Jun 2013 #53

"They did NOT listen to your phone calls." dgibby Jun 2013 #54

My oh my look at all the conspiracy theorists in here! Uzair Jun 2013 #90

like the conspiracy theorists claiming this is all a rovian setup? frylock Jun 2013 #102

Thank you! Jane Austin Jun 2013 #56

METADATA IS MORE INTRUSIVE! REPEAT: METADATA IS MORE INTRUSIVE! Are_grits_groceries Jun 2013 #62

Please make an OP of this post so I can K&R backscatter712 Jun 2013 #72

Very insightful, thank you. nt Union Scribe Jun 2013 #75

This needs to be an op. dgibby Jun 2013 #80

Do you trust your government? Repeat: Do you trust your government? kentuck Jun 2013 #66

Well dog gone it, that done gone settles it. Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #78

I can't hear you to much static on my line between the beeps. William769 Jun 2013 #79

How the hell do you know??? former9thward Jun 2013 #89

Because OBAMA SAID SO Uzair Jun 2013 #91

Because Obama said so Downtown Hound Jun 2013 #132

prove it frylock Jun 2013 #92

What, we're proving negatives now? Uzair Jun 2013 #95

you made the claim. surely it can be verified by more than obama's word. frylock Jun 2013 #104

Even the ones where my sister and I talked badly about Newt? Phentex Jun 2013 #98

Anyone who uses the word "poutrage" has nothing constructive to add to a discussion. n/t TheBadWolf Jun 2013 #103

Nobody is forcing you to post here if you are so put off...eom Kolesar Jun 2013 #106

**But if it's eventually revealed that they *did*, I'll explain how that's perfectly ok!! Marr Jun 2013 #116

THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO COLLECT AND STORE IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. woo me with science Jun 2013 #119

And yet, both are treated the same way under the law. Rex Jun 2013 #122

A week ago, Clapper said they weren't collecting data wholesale MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #126

That story seems to be contradicted by Snowden's account, I think an investigation is long over do usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #127

THEY STORED YOUR PHONE CALLS SO THEY COULD LISTEN TO THEM LATER. I REPEAT: Th1onein Jun 2013 #128

They saved the metadata they can go back later nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #133