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Catherina

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Tue Jun 11, 2013, 03:59 PM Jun 2013

Why Edward Snowden Is a Hero [View all]

June 10, 2013
Why Edward Snowden Is a Hero
Posted by John Cassidy

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So, what did the leaks tell us? First, they confirmed that the U.S. government, without obtaining any court warrants, routinely collects the phone logs of tens of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions, of Americans, who have no links to terrorism whatsoever. If the publicity prompts Congress to prevent phone companies such as Verizon and A.T. & T. from acting as information-gathering subsidiaries of the spying agencies, it won’t hamper legitimate domestic-surveillance operations—the N.S.A. can always go to court to obtain a wiretap or search warrant—and it will be a very good thing for the country.

The second revelation in the leaks was that the N.S.A., in targeting foreign suspects, has the capacity to access vast amounts of user data from U.S.-based Internet companies such as Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and Skype. Exactly how this is done remains a bit murky. But it’s clear that, in the process of monitoring the communications of overseas militants and officials and the people who communicate with them, the N.S.A. sweeps up a great deal of online data about Americans, and keeps it locked away—seemingly forever.

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Another Snowden leak, which Greenwald and the Guardian published over the weekend, was a set of documents concerning another secret N.S.A. tracking program with an Orwellian name: “Boundless Informant.” Apparently designed to keep Snowden’s former bosses abreast of what sorts of data it was collecting around the world, the program unveiled the vast reach of the N.S.A.’s activities. In March, 2013, alone, the Guardian reported, the N.S.A. collected ninety-seven billion pieces of information from computer networks worldwide, and three billion of those pieces came from U.S.-based networks.

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Thanks to Snowden, and what he told the Guardian and the Washington Post, we now have cause to doubt the truth of this testimony. In Snowden’s words: “The N.S.A. has built an infrastructure that allows it to intercept almost everything. With this capability, the vast majority of human communications are automatically ingested without targeting. If I wanted to see your emails or your wife’s phone, all I have to do is use intercepts. I can get your emails, passwords, phone records, credit cards.”

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Why Edward Snowden Is a Hero [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP
Does the writer jehop61 Jun 2013 #1
Evidently. Or just doesn't mind lying. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #4
The issue is sucking up all digital and phone communications usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #12
You should educate yourself. The data is phone numbers. There is no fucking communication. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #43
not according to the recent revelations usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #44
Hasn't most of this been debunked? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #2
Nothing is ever debunked. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #6
Legal, but unethical. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #11
Maybe. They took threats to national security pretty seriously. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #14
The cult of national security demands absolute obedience. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17
There was, like, this court order. MineralMan Jun 2013 #3
Sucking up all digital & phone comm violates the 4th admendment usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #13
Actually, SCOTUS ruled it legal, although it may be unethical. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #18
Not True - In fact every-time this issue is brought before the courts it gets thrown out usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #20
Here's the case legal scholars point to: JaneyVee Jun 2013 #21
lol - from 1979, about 1 persons phone, please do not waste peoples time with this usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #22
You can LOL all you want. But you're looking at the legal scholar definition of why metadata JaneyVee Jun 2013 #23
this is about more than just meta data, this is about harvesting and storing ALL comm usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #24
SCOTUS will decide. MineralMan Jun 2013 #25
Well let's hope so, so far they have vigorously avoided the question but Sonwden also revealed names usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #27
I will let you know what I think MineralMan Jun 2013 #30
You can't answer a straight forward question? Good to know. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #31
He didn't confirm anything. He alleged something then disappeared. randome Jun 2013 #5
Apparently... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #7
I think I saw him on the Dulles C train with Elvis. HipChick Jun 2013 #9
And why he's not (Josh Marshall) frazzled Jun 2013 #8
That is an excellent piece. randome Jun 2013 #28
Yeah, it reflected my feelings pretty well frazzled Jun 2013 #33
Meh. Not a hero, not a villian n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #10
A hero would've taken the info to a friendly Congressman's office NightWatcher Jun 2013 #15
Snowden exposed the warmongers who spy on America for what they are. Octafish Jun 2013 #16
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #19
Definitely...but the Celebrity DU'er Crowd thinks he's been Discredited KoKo Jun 2013 #26
Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 2013 #29
Is Edward Snowden A Traitor? - If He Is, So Was Daniel Ellsberg. - Slate usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #34
He is not a hero, I was aware the data was being collected. He is a thief for stealing information Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #32
Kick !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #35
He's a hero, despite the quislings' best efforts to delegitamize him. -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #36
You're too late, he's already been found to be a liar, a traitor, and a fugitive on the run. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #37
Whatever he is, he started a conversation that needs to be had. Autumn Jun 2013 #38
I think it takes a hero to stand up against a trillion dollar machine that protects capital, kills Catherina Jun 2013 #39
You are so right on that. I read that he has more to release Autumn Jun 2013 #40
Me too. Greenwald already said he can't release it all Catherina Jun 2013 #42
A person makes vague allusions to abuses, without giving one example of abuse. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #41
He's not, he's a traitor. RB TexLa Jun 2013 #45
A hero to the CATO Institute, sure. ucrdem Jun 2013 #46
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