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In reply to the discussion: METADATA IS MORE INTRUSIVE! REPEAT: METADATA IS MORE INTRUSIVE! [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)45. Yes,
For example, she said, in the world of business, a pattern of phone calls from key executives can reveal impending corporate takeovers. Personal phone calls can also reveal sensitive medical information: You can see a call to a gynecologist, and then a call to an oncologist, and then a call to close family members. And information from cell-phone towers can reveal the callers location. Metadata, she pointed out, can be so revelatory about whom reporters talk to in order to get sensitive stories that it can make more traditional tools in leak investigations, like search warrants and subpoenas, look quaint. You can see the sources, she said. When the F.B.I. obtains such records from news agencies, the Attorney General is required to sign off on each invasion of privacy. When the N.S.A. sweeps up millions of records a minute, its unclear if any such brakes are applied.
...the claim is simply absurd. I mean, actually spying on people, wiretapping their conversations is less intrusive than metadata?
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METADATA IS MORE INTRUSIVE! REPEAT: METADATA IS MORE INTRUSIVE! [View all]
Are_grits_groceries
Jun 2013
OP
If meta-data was benign and meaningless they wouldn't be collecting it.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2013
#13
No, I'm saying if they had the actual contents, they would also have the metadata.
randome
Jun 2013
#24
People should be more worried about their spouses or children finding out about their phone calls
kelliekat44
Jun 2013
#3
some very astute DU'er posted this probably impacts our 1st Amendment Rights > Privacy.
KittyWampus
Jun 2013
#6
And if they are keeping all of the phone call and other raw content, metadata serves as an "index"
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#8
How can they know who *you* call if no names are linked to the numbers they have?
baldguy
Jun 2013
#12
But they don't do that unless the number is communicating with someone they have a warrant to watch.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#17
So, basically you're admitting that you have no idea what you're talking about.
baldguy
Jun 2013
#29
you're right. interesting how fb has been pushing for members to add their phone numbers
desertduck
Jun 2013
#68
But Greenwald said that all calls are also stored not just metadata and they can go back 7 years
neohippie
Jun 2013
#57
You'd be surprised what spooks can learn about you from traffic analysis. n/t
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#22
The claim is that metadata is more intrusive than actually eavesdropping
Progressive dog
Jun 2013
#27
There's a helluva lot of room for guilt by assosiation. "Have you ever been a member...?"
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#23
Exactly! They're playing Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, except Kevin Bacon is Osama bin Laden.
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#48
Ironic, isn't it. For example, here you are on DU, generating income from metadata, presenting ads
jtuck004
Jun 2013
#49
You are ignoring experts in mathematics, probability, and many other fields.
Are_grits_groceries
Jun 2013
#67