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ljm2002

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36. You may not be my "school marm"...

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 05:13 PM

Jun 2013

...but you are the one making assertions here, to wit: "and attach that to ragin' Glenn Greenwad and it becomes more unbelievable." So you are CLAIMING that Greenwald's mere presence in the story makes it suspect, without providing one shred of evidence that Greenwald has been inaccurate on this or any other story.

Yes Greenwald rags on Obama. Obama is the POTUS. Being ragged on from various quarters is part of the job description. Even IF Greenwald's motives are less than stellar (not a given), it does not mean his stories are inaccurate.

You, on the other hand, clearly have one agenda, which is to defend Obama from all the baddies out there who might criticize him. Especially if the criticism has any staying power.

By the way, I don't remember Greenwald commenting on death panels. Again, since you have made the assertion, perhaps you can provide a link?

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There is no way this Snowden guy is on the level. [View all] Stinky The Clown Jun 2013 OP

and attach that to ragin' Glenn Greenwad and it becomes more unbelievable. n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #1

Perhaps you can provide some links... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #27

Greenwald always rags on Obama. He rips into him any chance he gets. that's not news. Whisp Jun 2013 #30

You may not be my "school marm"... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #36

sure, here it is: Whisp Jun 2013 #37

And there you have it... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #38

yes, it has been fun. Whisp Jun 2013 #40

Good try... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #45

It's remarkable to me how much DU is looking like Free Republic these days. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #71

It's all very strange. I wonder if we'll ever know what really happened? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2013 #2

His story has been described as "enhanced" by the man that blew the whistle on the Bush bluestate10 Jun 2013 #3

"Enhanced" means basically true... doesn't it? Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #35

Not in the real world. Enhanced means that the story has serious lying in it. nt bluestate10 Jun 2013 #53

Enhanced data leaking loyalsister Jun 2013 #65

and put Ron Paul's name in it, and well, it goes without saying graham4anything Jun 2013 #4

Don't you think one of 15 federal IC agencies would mention that? leveymg Jun 2013 #5

Give it time Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #6

What doesn't make sense to you? leveymg Jun 2013 #7

No, I was talking about his career trajectory, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #8

Well, he did decide to run to Hong Kong, thinking he'd get asylum there jeff47 Jun 2013 #17

Good point about the root access. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #18

I think he was the IT guy...he might have grabbed powerpoint slides that were sitting on HipChick Jun 2013 #23

I'm sorry, but with his CV he'd be lucky to get hired at Staples Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #57

I doubt he had any system access.. HipChick Jun 2013 #19

Depends on his job description, true. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #22

You have a problem with his bio? Why don't the NSA goons have the same problem? Th1onein Jun 2013 #39

Huh??? Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #46

Sorry, you're wrong. It's EVERYTHING. STORED. Th1onein Jun 2013 #47

No, that is simply not true Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #48

Nope. You're mistaken. Go forth.....educate thyself. Th1onein Jun 2013 #49

OK, produce a cite. I'll wait. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #50

Go read DU. It's all here. I'm not doing your homework for you. Th1onein Jun 2013 #51

Sorry, I've read up on this too. Ta-ta. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #54

Apparently not, or you would not still be ignorant of the facts. Ta-ta. nt Th1onein Jun 2013 #68

After less than 90 days on the job? He sure didn't waste time agonizing over the morality of it! randome Jun 2013 #11

Actually, it was negative days on the job if you believe both Snowden and Greenwald. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #16

Worked for the NSA for 4 years and an employee of various contractors. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #70

But his story is the programs he leaked were new to him when he started at Booz. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #86

So? He was hired with NSA clearance. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #87

He started talking to someone a month before he learned about the program jeff47 Jun 2013 #88

Greenwald says he has thousands of documents with a dozen or more Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #90

I "know" it because that's what Snowden said in his interview. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #92

He worked for the NSA for 4 years and you know this. Really. I've lost all respect for Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #69

Hell no. They'll neither confirm nor deny any part of what DevonRex Jun 2013 #10

Damage assessment and control will determine exactly what Snowden did and didn't know FarCenter Jun 2013 #9

I like this part: moondust Jun 2013 #12

The FBI has already visited his parents' hosue. Not too paranoid. Th1onein Jun 2013 #13

That's a given. moondust Jun 2013 #15

Maybe he was in a position to know more than you know. Ever thought of that? Th1onein Jun 2013 #42

Or to guard against someone who has planted a few cameras in his room muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #72

Of course they're after him. He released classified files in a public spectacle. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #29

Using an unsecured Hotel Wi-Fi HipChick Jun 2013 #20

Wouldn't matter, he has to use a VPN tunnel or encrypted messaging anyway. FarCenter Jun 2013 #24

That isn't paranoid in Hong Kong LittleBlue Jun 2013 #21

I do. moondust Jun 2013 #28

Hey, he told his supervisors that he was going to take some time off and they IMMEDIATELY started Th1onein Jun 2013 #44

He's level enough for Obama to react in a day. morningfog Jun 2013 #14

Obama would have been insane NOT to react. pnwmom Jun 2013 #31

Why you're right! ljm2002 Jun 2013 #25

My new pet theory is that James O'Keefe is involved. tridim Jun 2013 #26

That is not a reach... HipChick Jun 2013 #34

How about Ian Brzezinski Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #60

Clapper: Leaks are "literally gut-wrenching", "huge, grave damage" Catherina Jun 2013 #32

well he's level enough for 8 Senators 5 of whom are Democrats to want an investigation azurnoir Jun 2013 #33

Or perhaps he's so "unlevel" that people are concerned about babylonsister Jun 2013 #55

nope. at least not Senator Leahy who has been concerned about the NSA activity for years. cali Jun 2013 #76

I won't go that far, but something's screwy about this. longship Jun 2013 #41

Exactly...this has been my experience too, that's why this guy's story is very fishy HipChick Jun 2013 #43

I agree too LeftInTX Jun 2013 #56

Maybe his job was IT security for the computers on which they do their admin work muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #74

This would be true of he were a government employee alarimer Jun 2013 #58

True, or possibly true. However... longship Jun 2013 #62

I doubt they thought you were 'secure' because of your academic qualifications muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #75

His family probably had clearance Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #61

Oh dear. You've never had to get a clearance, have you? longship Jun 2013 #63

My father was VP for a large defense contractor Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #66

Well my neighbors from 15 years earlier were interviewed by the FBI. longship Jun 2013 #67

Yea, having the FBI go door to door asking questions Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #79

Gees. longship Jun 2013 #82

No, I do get it. Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #84

That's what I was trying to say. longship Jun 2013 #85

why would any of that matter? What he said is happening, is happening. The government has admitted i bowens43 Jun 2013 #78

Well, in hindsight, this guy shouldn't have had access. longship Jun 2013 #83

After Bradley Manning, I find this very believable. Tseko Jun 2013 #52

Is it impossible for you to think Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #59

Apparently so. ozone_man Jun 2013 #64

I am really troubled by this. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #94

I think he isn't even American. sibelian Jun 2013 #73

Touché...(nt) KansDem Jun 2013 #80

It doesnt matter, shoot the messenger bowens43 Jun 2013 #77

there you have it then. case closed. piratefish08 Jun 2013 #81

Something doesn't add up. grantcart Jun 2013 #89

IMO this guy is just a two bit hacker.. DCBob Jun 2013 #91

If the story is BS, why is the Justice Dept preparing charges against him? Bake Jun 2013 #93