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12. No, Greenwald was slobbering over Ron Paul back in 2007
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 06:33 PM
Jun 2013
http://www.salon.com/2007/11/06/paul_2/

By far the most significant and interesting political story of the past 24 hours is the extraordinary, record-breaking outpouring of support for Ron Paul’s presidential campaign. Therefore, it is being ignored by much of our establishment press — not a single article about it in The New York Times or The Washington Post (though it is discussed on a couple of their blogs), nor even a mention of it on the websites of CNN or CBS News (which found space to report on Stephen Colbert’s non-candidacy). But MSNBC and Fox News did at least both post the AP article on the Paul story.

Regardless of how much attention the media pays, the explosion of support for the Paul campaign yesterday is much more than a one-time event. The Paul campaign is now a bona fide phenomenon of real significance, and it is difficult to see this as anything other than a very positive development.

There are, relatively speaking, very few people who agree with most of Paul’s policy positions. In fact, a large portion of Americans — perhaps most — will find something in his litany of beliefs with which they not only disagree, but vehemently so. Paul has a coherent political world-view and states his positions clearly and unapologetically, without hedges, and that approach naturally ensures greater disagreement than the form of please-everyone obfuscation which drives most candidates. . . . And Paul is as vigilant a defender of America’s constitutional freedoms — and as faithful an observer of the constitutional limitations on government power designed to preserve those freedoms — as any national political figure in some time.


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UPDATE IV: The most illegitimate argument against Paul is the attempt to tie him to the views of some of his extremist and hateful supporters. I referenced that fallacy above, and elaborated on it in this comment.

And here is Markos Moulitsas — no Naderite he — on Paul’s fundraising explosion (h/t Lambert): “This is the single biggest example of people-power this cycle.” Markos adds that though he wishes it were a Democrat doing this, “it’s nevertheless a beautiful thing to behold.”




http://www.salon.com/2007/11/12/paul_3/

That isn’t to say that nobody can ever be deemed extremist or even crazy. But I’ve heard Ron Paul speak many times now. There are a lot of views he espouses that I don’t share. But he is a medical doctor and it shows; whatever else is true about him, he advocates his policies in a rational, substantive, and coherent way — at least as thoughtful and critical as any other political figure on the national scene, if not more so. As the anti-Paul New York Sun noted today, Paul has been downright prescient for a long time in warning about the severe devaluation of the dollar.

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On another note, I wrote in my prior post concerning Paul that I found the efforts (by Neiwert and others) to smear him by linking him to some of his extremist and hate-mongering supporters to be unfair (for reasons I explained here). Neiwert responded and compiled what he thinks is the best evidence to justify this linkage here.

For reasons I’ll detail at another time, I found virtually all of that to be unpersuasive, relying almost entirely on lame guilt-by-association arguments that could sink most if not all candidates (the only arguably disturbing evidence in this regard is this 1996 Houston Chronicle article, which Neiwert didn’t mention, and the pro-Paul response is here). Everyone can review the evidence — all of which is quite old and very little of which relies on any of Paul’s own statements — and make up their own minds.

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Have Bruce Fein and Naomi Wolf been concealing a neo-Nazi agenda which they are finally able to express through the Ron Paul campaign, or are they simply impressed by the obvious convictions and intense (though rare) passion he brings to issues which they seem to think are of vital importance — restoration of our constitutional framework and the rule of law, along with principled opposition to America’s imperialistic and militarized role in the world?






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it's not about Greenwald Enrique Jun 2013 #1
pppfffffffttttt VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #2
You forgot the smiley to go with it.. Fumesucker Jun 2013 #4
No, Greenwald was slobbering over Ron Paul back in 2007 geek tragedy Jun 2013 #12
and no one here cared Enrique Jun 2013 #23
He was a puny blogger back then, no? OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #35
Nobody cared about Glenn Greenwald period back then--very few hits. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #40
I think he was with FireDogLake at that time Whisp Jun 2013 #46
He's never been with Fire Dog Lake. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #49
He was on FDL's payroll. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #69
Um no. That was a PAC started by Hamsher and Greenwald. The PAC paid them. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #74
Bzzzzz. Wrong answer. AtomicKitten Jun 2013 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jun 2013 #38
Ron Paul is right about some issues. He's also a foul racist enabling nutjob. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jun 2013 #47
Greenwald was outspoken in denouncing geek tragedy Jun 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jun 2013 #70
I quoted directly. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #71
Yes, all the criticisms Kelvin Mace Jun 2013 #77
His reporting is often very sloppy and that is true in this case. pnwmom Jun 2013 #3
This... SidDithers Jun 2013 #14
+1000 baldguy Jun 2013 #15
I've heard this a couple time here and haven't seen what it is about. Whisp Jun 2013 #48
This is one example of his overblown "reporting." pnwmom Jun 2013 #50
thanks for that link and quote. yep, wee bit over the top. Whisp Jun 2013 #54
He made no claims about the slides. He reported precisely what they said with no personal viewpoint Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #58
Here is a classic DU Greenwald bashing thread chock full of insights Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #5
Not a Greenwald fan, but I feel like taking a shower after reading that post geek tragedy Jun 2013 #9
It was hosted happily in GD for nearly a week, why? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #10
Eh, when he started promoting Ron Paul that was enough for me to dismiss him geek tragedy Jun 2013 #13
I stopped reading him when he supported the Iraq war, DU brings him up constantly Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #20
I linked to a few examples upthread. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #24
That counts as promotion in my book. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #28
Nice thing about quoting Sullivan is that if you change your mind you can geek tragedy Jun 2013 #31
He wasn't writing when he supported the Iraq war. Please read this. I'd really appreciated it. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #51
I had a melt down when that post was allowed to stand and had a melt down in Meta.. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #52
No surprise there. William769 Jun 2013 #22
To be fair that is a golden oldie, but that thread changed the way I think of DU. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #25
General rule is that if it's possible to be an asshole on a given subject, geek tragedy Jun 2013 #30
Be sure to check out the recommends on that thread. QC Jun 2013 #26
Greenwald is an opinion writer, not a reporter. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #6
^ I am of this opinion as well^ Raine1967 Jun 2013 #32
He comes across as wanting to be 'right'. randome Jun 2013 #7
He has integrity noise Jun 2013 #8
He's a Paulite/Libertarian. He hates both the Dems and the Rethugs. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #16
He is neither... Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #56
Then why did he take money from the Cato Institute for his white paper? And why pnwmom Jun 2013 #63
He took money for the precise reason he said. To write a paper about drug Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #68
Deliberately printing falsehoods ≠ integrity baldguy Jun 2013 #17
+1 Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #57
Secret Blackwater Contractors Surveying all of us and Small Business... KoKo Jun 2013 #11
Look who "progressives" are making common cause with: ucrdem Jun 2013 #18
So he's a Paulite, libertarian, that explains flamingdem Jun 2013 #19
He is neither a Paulite or a libertarian. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #55
He left out his flamingdem Jun 2013 #61
I'll be perfectly honest olddots Jun 2013 #21
If Greenwald's reporting is inaccurate, then show exactly where & how that is true. 99th_Monkey Jun 2013 #27
I know...many of us ask what IS IT ABOUT GREENWALD? Reporting or Hate of Him? KoKo Jun 2013 #36
Yes. blue neen Jun 2013 #29
He's a troublemaker who doesn't toe the party line. We need more like him. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #33
He does the bidding of the Koch Brothers. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #60
But, does he have a girlfriend in Hawaii? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #62
Boiled down to it's very essence...you. Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #64
Not really. I never voted for a surveillance state. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #67
I'll desnark for a moment. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #34
What OilemFirchen said, especially the Skidmore Jun 2013 #41
I guess partly what others have said - too much opinion, not enough journalism. nomorenomore08 Jun 2013 #37
Greenwald is now more of a Left Anarchist than Right Libertarian FarCenter Jun 2013 #42
It's about not worshipping Obama. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #43
I feel the same way about him as I did eissa Jun 2013 #44
I've never had a problem with Glenn Greenwald, Blue_In_AK Jun 2013 #45
I have never like this guy. Long before all this secret stuff came out because he is never happy southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #53
Both. I consider them inseparable. Chan790 Jun 2013 #59
He speaks truth to power, which makes many uncomfortable -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #66
He's abrasive, confrontational, always looks tired from overwork.... I like that. reformist2 Jun 2013 #72
All he needs to do is write a few columns about how handsome Barack Obama is. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #73
It's because he is gay. The Link Jun 2013 #76
I dislike him because of your post. jeff47 Jun 2013 #78
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