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In reply to the discussion: Those who have Serious Problems with Glenn Greenwald..Is it Him or His Reporting? [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)12. No, Greenwald was slobbering over Ron Paul back in 2007
http://www.salon.com/2007/11/06/paul_2/
http://www.salon.com/2007/11/12/paul_3/
By far the most significant and interesting political story of the past 24 hours is the extraordinary, record-breaking outpouring of support for Ron Pauls presidential campaign. Therefore, it is being ignored by much of our establishment press not a single article about it in The New York Times or The Washington Post (though it is discussed on a couple of their blogs), nor even a mention of it on the websites of CNN or CBS News (which found space to report on Stephen Colberts non-candidacy). But MSNBC and Fox News did at least both post the AP article on the Paul story.
Regardless of how much attention the media pays, the explosion of support for the Paul campaign yesterday is much more than a one-time event. The Paul campaign is now a bona fide phenomenon of real significance, and it is difficult to see this as anything other than a very positive development.
There are, relatively speaking, very few people who agree with most of Pauls policy positions. In fact, a large portion of Americans perhaps most will find something in his litany of beliefs with which they not only disagree, but vehemently so. Paul has a coherent political world-view and states his positions clearly and unapologetically, without hedges, and that approach naturally ensures greater disagreement than the form of please-everyone obfuscation which drives most candidates. . . . And Paul is as vigilant a defender of Americas constitutional freedoms and as faithful an observer of the constitutional limitations on government power designed to preserve those freedoms as any national political figure in some time.
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UPDATE IV: The most illegitimate argument against Paul is the attempt to tie him to the views of some of his extremist and hateful supporters. I referenced that fallacy above, and elaborated on it in this comment.
And here is Markos Moulitsas no Naderite he on Pauls fundraising explosion (h/t Lambert): This is the single biggest example of people-power this cycle. Markos adds that though he wishes it were a Democrat doing this, its nevertheless a beautiful thing to behold.
Regardless of how much attention the media pays, the explosion of support for the Paul campaign yesterday is much more than a one-time event. The Paul campaign is now a bona fide phenomenon of real significance, and it is difficult to see this as anything other than a very positive development.
There are, relatively speaking, very few people who agree with most of Pauls policy positions. In fact, a large portion of Americans perhaps most will find something in his litany of beliefs with which they not only disagree, but vehemently so. Paul has a coherent political world-view and states his positions clearly and unapologetically, without hedges, and that approach naturally ensures greater disagreement than the form of please-everyone obfuscation which drives most candidates. . . . And Paul is as vigilant a defender of Americas constitutional freedoms and as faithful an observer of the constitutional limitations on government power designed to preserve those freedoms as any national political figure in some time.
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UPDATE IV: The most illegitimate argument against Paul is the attempt to tie him to the views of some of his extremist and hateful supporters. I referenced that fallacy above, and elaborated on it in this comment.
And here is Markos Moulitsas no Naderite he on Pauls fundraising explosion (h/t Lambert): This is the single biggest example of people-power this cycle. Markos adds that though he wishes it were a Democrat doing this, its nevertheless a beautiful thing to behold.
http://www.salon.com/2007/11/12/paul_3/
That isnt to say that nobody can ever be deemed extremist or even crazy. But Ive heard Ron Paul speak many times now. There are a lot of views he espouses that I dont share. But he is a medical doctor and it shows; whatever else is true about him, he advocates his policies in a rational, substantive, and coherent way at least as thoughtful and critical as any other political figure on the national scene, if not more so. As the anti-Paul New York Sun noted today, Paul has been downright prescient for a long time in warning about the severe devaluation of the dollar.
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On another note, I wrote in my prior post concerning Paul that I found the efforts (by Neiwert and others) to smear him by linking him to some of his extremist and hate-mongering supporters to be unfair (for reasons I explained here). Neiwert responded and compiled what he thinks is the best evidence to justify this linkage here.
For reasons Ill detail at another time, I found virtually all of that to be unpersuasive, relying almost entirely on lame guilt-by-association arguments that could sink most if not all candidates (the only arguably disturbing evidence in this regard is this 1996 Houston Chronicle article, which Neiwert didnt mention, and the pro-Paul response is here). Everyone can review the evidence all of which is quite old and very little of which relies on any of Pauls own statements and make up their own minds.
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Have Bruce Fein and Naomi Wolf been concealing a neo-Nazi agenda which they are finally able to express through the Ron Paul campaign, or are they simply impressed by the obvious convictions and intense (though rare) passion he brings to issues which they seem to think are of vital importance restoration of our constitutional framework and the rule of law, along with principled opposition to Americas imperialistic and militarized role in the world?
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On another note, I wrote in my prior post concerning Paul that I found the efforts (by Neiwert and others) to smear him by linking him to some of his extremist and hate-mongering supporters to be unfair (for reasons I explained here). Neiwert responded and compiled what he thinks is the best evidence to justify this linkage here.
For reasons Ill detail at another time, I found virtually all of that to be unpersuasive, relying almost entirely on lame guilt-by-association arguments that could sink most if not all candidates (the only arguably disturbing evidence in this regard is this 1996 Houston Chronicle article, which Neiwert didnt mention, and the pro-Paul response is here). Everyone can review the evidence all of which is quite old and very little of which relies on any of Pauls own statements and make up their own minds.
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Have Bruce Fein and Naomi Wolf been concealing a neo-Nazi agenda which they are finally able to express through the Ron Paul campaign, or are they simply impressed by the obvious convictions and intense (though rare) passion he brings to issues which they seem to think are of vital importance restoration of our constitutional framework and the rule of law, along with principled opposition to Americas imperialistic and militarized role in the world?
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Those who have Serious Problems with Glenn Greenwald..Is it Him or His Reporting? [View all]
KoKo
Jun 2013
OP
Um no. That was a PAC started by Hamsher and Greenwald. The PAC paid them.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#74
Ron Paul is right about some issues. He's also a foul racist enabling nutjob.
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#39
He made no claims about the slides. He reported precisely what they said with no personal viewpoint
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#58
Not a Greenwald fan, but I feel like taking a shower after reading that post
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#9
Eh, when he started promoting Ron Paul that was enough for me to dismiss him
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#13
I stopped reading him when he supported the Iraq war, DU brings him up constantly
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#20
He wasn't writing when he supported the Iraq war. Please read this. I'd really appreciated it.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#51
I had a melt down when that post was allowed to stand and had a melt down in Meta..
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#52
To be fair that is a golden oldie, but that thread changed the way I think of DU.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#25
General rule is that if it's possible to be an asshole on a given subject,
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#30
He took money for the precise reason he said. To write a paper about drug
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#68
If Greenwald's reporting is inaccurate, then show exactly where & how that is true.
99th_Monkey
Jun 2013
#27
He's a troublemaker who doesn't toe the party line. We need more like him.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#33
I guess partly what others have said - too much opinion, not enough journalism.
nomorenomore08
Jun 2013
#37
I have never like this guy. Long before all this secret stuff came out because he is never happy
southernyankeebelle
Jun 2013
#53
He's abrasive, confrontational, always looks tired from overwork.... I like that.
reformist2
Jun 2013
#72
All he needs to do is write a few columns about how handsome Barack Obama is.
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2013
#73