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27. Well let's hope so, so far they have vigorously avoided the question but Sonwden also revealed names

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 07:35 PM

Jun 2013

of those being spied upon, which is what has been used before to throw the case out (since it is a secret program, no one know if they have been spied upon, therefore no one has standing)

Of course if they said it was not a violation of the 4th amendment, I would argue that that ruling couple with the bush/gore ruling would have demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt that we live in a totalitarian state controlled by the elite, and not the people.

what will you think?

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Why Edward Snowden Is a Hero [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

Does the writer jehop61 Jun 2013 #1

Evidently. Or just doesn't mind lying. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #4

The issue is sucking up all digital and phone communications usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #12

You should educate yourself. The data is phone numbers. There is no fucking communication. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #43

not according to the recent revelations usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #44

Hasn't most of this been debunked? JaneyVee Jun 2013 #2

Nothing is ever debunked. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #6

Legal, but unethical. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #11

Maybe. They took threats to national security pretty seriously. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #14

The cult of national security demands absolute obedience. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #17

There was, like, this court order. MineralMan Jun 2013 #3

Sucking up all digital & phone comm violates the 4th admendment usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #13

Actually, SCOTUS ruled it legal, although it may be unethical. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #18

Not True - In fact every-time this issue is brought before the courts it gets thrown out usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #20

Here's the case legal scholars point to: JaneyVee Jun 2013 #21

lol - from 1979, about 1 persons phone, please do not waste peoples time with this usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #22

You can LOL all you want. But you're looking at the legal scholar definition of why metadata JaneyVee Jun 2013 #23

this is about more than just meta data, this is about harvesting and storing ALL comm usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #24

SCOTUS will decide. MineralMan Jun 2013 #25

Well let's hope so, so far they have vigorously avoided the question but Sonwden also revealed names usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #27

I will let you know what I think MineralMan Jun 2013 #30

You can't answer a straight forward question? Good to know. usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #31

He didn't confirm anything. He alleged something then disappeared. randome Jun 2013 #5

Apparently... OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #7

I think I saw him on the Dulles C train with Elvis. HipChick Jun 2013 #9

And why he's not (Josh Marshall) frazzled Jun 2013 #8

That is an excellent piece. randome Jun 2013 #28

Yeah, it reflected my feelings pretty well frazzled Jun 2013 #33

Meh. Not a hero, not a villian n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #10

A hero would've taken the info to a friendly Congressman's office NightWatcher Jun 2013 #15

Snowden exposed the warmongers who spy on America for what they are. Octafish Jun 2013 #16

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #19

Definitely...but the Celebrity DU'er Crowd thinks he's been Discredited KoKo Jun 2013 #26

Edward Snowden ProSense Jun 2013 #29

Is Edward Snowden A Traitor? - If He Is, So Was Daniel Ellsberg. - Slate usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #34

He is not a hero, I was aware the data was being collected. He is a thief for stealing information Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #32

Kick !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #35

He's a hero, despite the quislings' best efforts to delegitamize him. -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #36

You're too late, he's already been found to be a liar, a traitor, and a fugitive on the run. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #37

Whatever he is, he started a conversation that needs to be had. Autumn Jun 2013 #38

I think it takes a hero to stand up against a trillion dollar machine that protects capital, kills Catherina Jun 2013 #39

You are so right on that. I read that he has more to release Autumn Jun 2013 #40

Me too. Greenwald already said he can't release it all Catherina Jun 2013 #42

A person makes vague allusions to abuses, without giving one example of abuse. bluestate10 Jun 2013 #41

He's not, he's a traitor. RB TexLa Jun 2013 #45

A hero to the CATO Institute, sure. ucrdem Jun 2013 #46