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DevonRex

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130. The lies have to be signals.

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 08:09 PM

Jun 2013

They're too obvious, too easily found out.

About his past: He couldn't have been training for special forces with just a GED. They require a high school diploma.

He went from security guard at an NSA site to CIA information tech security - requires a Master's but preferably a PhD.

Now he's lying about his salary. The company knows exactly what they pay him, and they get audited by DCAA on all contracts. It has to match. Every penny is accounted for.

He's lying about his capabilities and those of "any analyst" as he said. It would require a large conspiracy to do what he claimed to be able to do. And simply rewriting code will not do it.

These lies wouldn't even get him in as a double agent anywhere.

So, I am baffled. One possibility is that the obvious lies are signals. They are just TOO obvious, unless he's a compulsive liar.

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Snowden lied about his salary... [View all] HipChick Jun 2013 OP

............................... Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #1

I do...IRS audit...or maybe he was being paid from someone other entity..or maybe he is just a liar. HipChick Jun 2013 #3

The desperation is amusing lol n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #14

What desperation? leftynyc Jun 2013 #51

... Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #64

No silly, Android3.14 Jun 2013 #70

I have no idea what you're babbling about leftynyc Jun 2013 #76

Twist and twist and twist. Now it's not Snowden we worship, it's Greenwald Android3.14 Jun 2013 #102

Nobody has betrayed my trust leftynyc Jun 2013 #115

Again, you are making little sense. Android3.14 Jun 2013 #131

Pretending not to understand leftynyc Jun 2013 #142

I don't see it as desperation, credibility is paramount arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #57

Actually, we don't know if he lied. cali Jun 2013 #2

He is a contractor on contract rates...he wouldn't be getting much else HipChick Jun 2013 #7

Contractors don't get salaries. He worked for a contractor. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #19

Employees of contractors are called "contractors". Yes, it's confusing. (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #47

In Hawaii - salary + COLA + relocation + incentives LVZ Jun 2013 #90

He should show his pay stub to Greenwald then. pnwmom Jun 2013 #4

And how do YOU know that he hasn't? cali Jun 2013 #8

Then Greenwald should publish it. Easy enough for him to do. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #16

I NEED HIM TO BE THE GOOD GUY. sibelian Jun 2013 #24

LOL n/t bitchkitty Jun 2013 #61

I sure he lied about a lot krawhitham Jun 2013 #5

your panting eagerness to discredit and smear Snowden is creepy. cali Jun 2013 #6

As is your lack of information about how the contracting industry actually works HipChick Jun 2013 #36

Hardly. It's your ignorance. For fuck's sake, BA has confirmed that he was NOT A CONTRACTOR cali Jun 2013 #45

I worked in the contractor industry for over a decade.. HipChick Jun 2013 #52

At Walmart, pumpkin? What makes you think that I worked at Walmart? cali Jun 2013 #71

creepy pursuit? Facts speak for themselves. They aren't creepy. And since Greenwald lied KittyWampus Jun 2013 #103

I do think the lack of fact checking will come out, but also BAH HipChick Jun 2013 #107

That's funny ..... oldhippie Jun 2013 #132

Indeed think Jun 2013 #9

I don't doubt he made $200,000 Catherina Jun 2013 #10

Not really...he wasn't travelling and had relocated.. HipChick Jun 2013 #18

You need to follow and keep up with the story more n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #23

He relocated.. HipChick Jun 2013 #25

Knock yourself out lol. Ignore inconvenient facts like high cost areas housing allowances. Catherina Jun 2013 #40

I think you are missing the point...companies don't pay housing allowances HipChick Jun 2013 #49

Job openings in his field at BAH require 50% travel Catherina Jun 2013 #81

No one includes per diems in stating salary because pnwmom Jun 2013 #28

I wonder what he reports on his taxes...you can only include expenses if you are at a location HipChick Jun 2013 #32

I do not think he will be filing taxes this year krawhitham Jun 2013 #41

He wasn't sent to Hong Kong leftynyc Jun 2013 #60

I gave Hong Kong as an example because he had traveled there BEFORE Catherina Jun 2013 #121

OH MY GOOOOD!!!! Ballerinas AND his salary? sibelian Jun 2013 #11

Bwah! My thoughts exactly. djean111 Jun 2013 #112

Well it could be for other side jobs he may have. southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #12

He would have signed a contract that would preclude taking side jobs HipChick Jun 2013 #22

I didn't know that. But why lie about his salary? I don't get it. There is something fishy period southernyankeebelle Jun 2013 #43

shoot. that. messenger! nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #13

Sounds like he's shooting himself. Cha Jun 2013 #127

That's his base salary. It doesn't mean he didn't get paid more. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #15

He's not on salary.. HipChick Jun 2013 #20

Booz Allen says that he was an employee of the firm. Not a contractor. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #27

He is still a contractor.. HipChick Jun 2013 #44

That makes absolutely no sense. I've worked for companies that contract for the U.S. govt. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #46

Right, but the government employees, referring to you, would say "that contractor over there" Recursion Jun 2013 #50

Exactly...the govt employee's would never refer to you as one of them.. HipChick Jun 2013 #53

And if you were an employee of a company with a govt contract ...... oldhippie Jun 2013 #133

no one is claiming he's a gov't employee, genius. cute little strawman you've shoddily constructed. cali Jun 2013 #48

bzzzt. more fact free spouting from you. cali Jun 2013 #31

He's only worked there 3 months. A little too soon for a bonus pnwmom Jun 2013 #33

Any guy trying to date a dancer exaggerates the size of his salary -- amongst other things. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2013 #17

DUzy!!!!!!!!1 n/t UTUSN Jun 2013 #26

Probably included his girlfriend's income... FarCenter Jun 2013 #21

Nobody in the contracting industry ever uses their billrate to the govt as a basis for salary.. HipChick Jun 2013 #29

or the Booze boys are lying.. Whisp Jun 2013 #30

I don't care for BAH, but I don't think they are lying...it is easy to see what rates are being for HipChick Jun 2013 #34

a bit wierd that he would lie about something so inconsequential. Whisp Jun 2013 #37

Good point..I have seen lie about contractor rates HipChick Jun 2013 #39

He told other REALLY stupid lies. Said he went to the Army as Special Forces. BUT DevonRex Jun 2013 #114

This has been my understanding as well. There are some here Raine1967 Jun 2013 #119

Employee for less than 3 months at 60% of claimed salary Progressive dog Jun 2013 #35

and he has only worked for Booz Allen for 3 months krawhitham Jun 2013 #38

Still on probation. atreides1 Jun 2013 #54

If his clearance was available in JPAS, they would have just transferred it over HipChick Jun 2013 #58

we don't know what access he had. Whisp Jun 2013 #62

I still think he is also telling tall ones about the access... HipChick Jun 2013 #65

I just heard one of the yappers on MSNBC repeating what Snowden said: Whisp Jun 2013 #97

I have only heard one MSM reporter that came close to being accurate to what his HipChick Jun 2013 #99

I heard he lied about having high score on Ms.Pacman at a 7-Eleven Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #42

I heard he still has a library book out from '02 Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #55

There are allowances, bonuses, and generous paid benefits. Doesn't mean he lied. leveymg Jun 2013 #56

$80,000 worth? HipChick Jun 2013 #63

No, but that would be $219 per diem, which is not implausible, particularly in HI Recursion Jun 2013 #67

He was asked to and choose to relocate though... HipChick Jun 2013 #72

What is TLA in Hawaii? .... oldhippie Jun 2013 #134

You haven't done any gov't consulting, have you? leveymg Jun 2013 #77

I'd actually be interested to see what your federal govt consulting has been like.. HipChick Jun 2013 #78

None of your business, but enough to know what per diems are. leveymg Jun 2013 #92

Company car, housing allowance and many other perks zeeland Jun 2013 #125

$78,000 paid out then in "allowances, bonuses arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #73

As generous as pinocchio's nose.. HipChick Jun 2013 #82

That's how it's looking to me.. arthritisR_US Jun 2013 #86

My son works for a gov contrator Marrah_G Jun 2013 #141

Shocking! People lie about what they make! Horrifying! Traitors and enemies of the state! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #59

Do you have his tax returns? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #66

How is it smearing if the protagonist is lying about himself? HipChick Jun 2013 #74

The story isn't about him DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #79

I know what the the rates are on BAH govt contract HipChick Jun 2013 #83

YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT HE MADE. PERIOD. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #88

so post it. post exactly what he made. cali Jun 2013 #94

Actually his job classification on the BAH contracts HipChick Jun 2013 #98

apologist for what? cali Jun 2013 #101

Snowden himself said he earned about $200K Raine1967 Jun 2013 #120

@Raine1967 ..I gave up...People want to ignore what they want to... HipChick Jun 2013 #122

It's frustrating as all hell. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #123

So he's a liar and a quitter. Sounds like Sarah Palin. bushisanidiot Jun 2013 #68

Why does that matter with respect to the nature of NSA data mining? morningfog Jun 2013 #69

Do you really think this is limited to one agency data mining? HipChick Jun 2013 #75

Not at all. I think we are just beginning to scratch the surface. morningfog Jun 2013 #80

Exactly think4yourself Jun 2013 #87

Yeah, but the goat-touching's worse. sibelian Jun 2013 #84

Classic - make the whistleblower the issue. tinrobot Jun 2013 #85

The leaked info isn't the issue. He didn't chitchat with his neighbors. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #89

The man behind the curtain is the NSA tinrobot Jun 2013 #91

funny- you are claiming to KNOW he's a hero sigmasix Jun 2013 #104

+10000.. HipChick Jun 2013 #109

Seems like you're prone to exaggeration... tinrobot Jun 2013 #138

Having a security clearance helps make a person valuable JPZenger Jun 2013 #93

Getting security clearance can cost the company anywhere from $25K upwards HipChick Jun 2013 #96

So? hobbit709 Jun 2013 #95

He comes across as an exaggerator Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #100

Exactly...and that is what folks are missing the point with all his HipChick Jun 2013 #106

Oddly enough, though... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #105

I don't care if he likes to kick puppies in his spare time. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #108

Who can possibly GIVE A SHIT how much he made?????? onecent Jun 2013 #110

Honestly, this person feels off to me, and I have been keeping out of discussions Zorra Jun 2013 #111

As evidenced on in this thread, folks are already falling for this - hook,line and sinker.. HipChick Jun 2013 #113

The lies have to be signals. DevonRex Jun 2013 #130

Whoop-de-doo MattSh Jun 2013 #116

These issues are 7yrs old.. Where was your outrage then? HipChick Jun 2013 #118

There was outrage... until Obama got elected tinrobot Jun 2013 #140

He's lying about his salary, and I think he's lying about his girlfriend. Initech Jun 2013 #117

So do I. Either that or he tried to implicate her himself. DevonRex Jun 2013 #124

That's not the only lie he's told. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #126

It is all very strange..lying about things HipChick Jun 2013 #128

nobody cares. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #129

He probably also lied about his "authorities" shawn703 Jun 2013 #135

You're not very good at this smear thing, are you? LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #136

It is pretty blatant, isn't it? tinrobot Jun 2013 #137

ok i'm confused Enrique Jun 2013 #139

Handing over information now makes him a traitor HipChick Jun 2013 #143