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In reply to the discussion: Those who have Serious Problems with Glenn Greenwald..Is it Him or His Reporting? [View all]Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)51. He wasn't writing when he supported the Iraq war. Please read this. I'd really appreciated it.
In the lead up to the Iraq war, Glenn was a private citizen. He didn't have a blog (he started one in 2005-2006). He hadn't written a book. He hadn't appeared on TV. He had no national or international voice to influence public opinion.
I wanted to shed some light on one of the current smears against Greenwald. The man wrote 3 books and thousands of blog posts against the Bush regime, the surveillance state and the erosion of our civil liberties. But he didn't get to that point naturally or easily. Below is an excerpt of the preface to the book "How Would A Patriot Act?" A book in which he unrelentingly exposes the Bush admin and the lying warmongers and the architects of the imperial presidency. It's a rare person who can admit that they were wrong (and I applaud those high-profile Democrats in government and the media who supported Bush's invasion of Iraq - those that did actually have the power and the platform to speak out publicly against the Iraq war - who have subsequently apologized for their support) and I admire Greenwald for openly admitting his political evolution.
How Would A Patriot Act?: Defending American Values from a President Run Amok
By Glenn Greenwald 2006
(Emphasis mine)
http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812
I wanted to shed some light on one of the current smears against Greenwald. The man wrote 3 books and thousands of blog posts against the Bush regime, the surveillance state and the erosion of our civil liberties. But he didn't get to that point naturally or easily. Below is an excerpt of the preface to the book "How Would A Patriot Act?" A book in which he unrelentingly exposes the Bush admin and the lying warmongers and the architects of the imperial presidency. It's a rare person who can admit that they were wrong (and I applaud those high-profile Democrats in government and the media who supported Bush's invasion of Iraq - those that did actually have the power and the platform to speak out publicly against the Iraq war - who have subsequently apologized for their support) and I admire Greenwald for openly admitting his political evolution.
How Would A Patriot Act?: Defending American Values from a President Run Amok
By Glenn Greenwald 2006
(Emphasis mine)
Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence (*my note - about the Iraq War), I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president's performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.
It is not desirable or fulfilling to realize that one does not trust one's own government and must disbelieve its statements, and I tried, along with scores of others, to avoid making that choice until the facts no longer permitted such logic.
Soon after our invasion of Iraq, when it became apparent that, contrary to Bush administration claims, there were no weapons of mass destruction, I began concluding, reluctantly, that the administration had veered far off course from defending the country against the threats of Muslim extremism. It appeared that in the great national unity the September 11 attacks had engendered, the administration had seen not a historically unique opportunity to renew a sense of national identity and cohesion, but instead a potent political weapon with which to impose upon our citizens a whole series of policies and programs that had nothing to do with terrorism, but that could be rationalized through an appeal to the nation's fear of further terrorist attacks.
And in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion came a whole host of revelations that took on an increasingly extremist, sinister, and decidedly un- American tenor. The United States was using torture as an interrogation tool, in contravention of legal prohibitions. We were violating international treaties we had signed, sending suspects in our custody for interrogation to the countries most skilled in human rights abuses. And as part of judicial proceedings involving Yaser Esam Hamdi, another U.S. citizen whom the Bush administration had detained with no trial and no access to counsel, George W. Bush began expressly advocating theories of executive power that were so radical that they represented the polar opposite of America's founding principles.
With all of these extremist and plainly illegal policies piling up, I sought to understand what legal and constitutional justifications the Bush administration could invoke to engage in such conduct. What I discovered, to my genuine amazement and alarm, is that these actions had their roots in sweeping, extremist theories of presidential power that many administration officials had been advocating for years before George Bush was even elected. The 9/11 attacks provided them with the opportunity to officially embrace those theories. In the aftermath of the attack, senior lawyers in the Bush Justice Department had secretly issued legal memoranda stating that the president can seize literally absolute, unchecked power in order to defend the country against terrorism. To assert, as they did, that neither Congress nor the courts can place any limits on the president's decisions is to say that the president is above the law. Once it became apparent that the administration had truly adopted these radical theories and had begun exerting these limitless, kinglike powers, I could no longer afford to ignore them.
It is not desirable or fulfilling to realize that one does not trust one's own government and must disbelieve its statements, and I tried, along with scores of others, to avoid making that choice until the facts no longer permitted such logic.
Soon after our invasion of Iraq, when it became apparent that, contrary to Bush administration claims, there were no weapons of mass destruction, I began concluding, reluctantly, that the administration had veered far off course from defending the country against the threats of Muslim extremism. It appeared that in the great national unity the September 11 attacks had engendered, the administration had seen not a historically unique opportunity to renew a sense of national identity and cohesion, but instead a potent political weapon with which to impose upon our citizens a whole series of policies and programs that had nothing to do with terrorism, but that could be rationalized through an appeal to the nation's fear of further terrorist attacks.
And in the aftermath of the Iraq invasion came a whole host of revelations that took on an increasingly extremist, sinister, and decidedly un- American tenor. The United States was using torture as an interrogation tool, in contravention of legal prohibitions. We were violating international treaties we had signed, sending suspects in our custody for interrogation to the countries most skilled in human rights abuses. And as part of judicial proceedings involving Yaser Esam Hamdi, another U.S. citizen whom the Bush administration had detained with no trial and no access to counsel, George W. Bush began expressly advocating theories of executive power that were so radical that they represented the polar opposite of America's founding principles.
With all of these extremist and plainly illegal policies piling up, I sought to understand what legal and constitutional justifications the Bush administration could invoke to engage in such conduct. What I discovered, to my genuine amazement and alarm, is that these actions had their roots in sweeping, extremist theories of presidential power that many administration officials had been advocating for years before George Bush was even elected. The 9/11 attacks provided them with the opportunity to officially embrace those theories. In the aftermath of the attack, senior lawyers in the Bush Justice Department had secretly issued legal memoranda stating that the president can seize literally absolute, unchecked power in order to defend the country against terrorism. To assert, as they did, that neither Congress nor the courts can place any limits on the president's decisions is to say that the president is above the law. Once it became apparent that the administration had truly adopted these radical theories and had begun exerting these limitless, kinglike powers, I could no longer afford to ignore them.
http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812
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Those who have Serious Problems with Glenn Greenwald..Is it Him or His Reporting? [View all]
KoKo
Jun 2013
OP
Um no. That was a PAC started by Hamsher and Greenwald. The PAC paid them.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#74
Ron Paul is right about some issues. He's also a foul racist enabling nutjob.
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#39
He made no claims about the slides. He reported precisely what they said with no personal viewpoint
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#58
Not a Greenwald fan, but I feel like taking a shower after reading that post
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#9
Eh, when he started promoting Ron Paul that was enough for me to dismiss him
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#13
I stopped reading him when he supported the Iraq war, DU brings him up constantly
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#20
He wasn't writing when he supported the Iraq war. Please read this. I'd really appreciated it.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#51
I had a melt down when that post was allowed to stand and had a melt down in Meta..
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#52
To be fair that is a golden oldie, but that thread changed the way I think of DU.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#25
General rule is that if it's possible to be an asshole on a given subject,
geek tragedy
Jun 2013
#30
He took money for the precise reason he said. To write a paper about drug
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#68
If Greenwald's reporting is inaccurate, then show exactly where & how that is true.
99th_Monkey
Jun 2013
#27
He's a troublemaker who doesn't toe the party line. We need more like him.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#33
I guess partly what others have said - too much opinion, not enough journalism.
nomorenomore08
Jun 2013
#37
I have never like this guy. Long before all this secret stuff came out because he is never happy
southernyankeebelle
Jun 2013
#53
He's abrasive, confrontational, always looks tired from overwork.... I like that.
reformist2
Jun 2013
#72
All he needs to do is write a few columns about how handsome Barack Obama is.
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2013
#73