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ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
85. Surely you don't disagree...
Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:14 PM
Jun 2013

...about the litmus test aspect of this case. I have rarely if ever seen a case on DU that was so predictable in who takes what position.

Of course, I think that my position is the correct one. And that, of course, implies that I think people who take the opposing position are incorrect. That's what happens when you get off the fence: you end up on one side or the other, possibly shouting at those on the other side.

But I said nothing about anyone "failing" a civil liberties test; I merely observed that we're coming down on different sides of the issue. You won't hear me calling anyone a Nazi over it. I'm not trying to demonize anyone. My remark about the litmus test was not intended as an insult to those who fall on the other side of the issue; merely an observation that this case really did put the divide into stark relief.

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Glenn Greenwald Like A Boss [View all] DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 OP
It's Greenwald.n/t brucefan Jun 2013 #1
God Bless the USA Fumesucker Jun 2013 #2
GreenWALD. randome Jun 2013 #3
video too busy i guess. GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #4
K & R William769 Jun 2013 #5
Lol your smilie rocks. dkf Jun 2013 #66
The guy is rude to everyone he speaks with. He's pissing off other journalists. randome Jun 2013 #6
He seemed pretty polite to me... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #10
I'm not the only one who thinks he comes across as less than objective. randome Jun 2013 #20
No doubt we are both seeing what we want to see... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #24
Yes I am a Nazi because I'll follow Maddow's and L O'Donnell's coverage on this emulatorloo Jun 2013 #81
Got any substantive points to make? ljm2002 Jun 2013 #82
Yes. "And this case seems to be a real litmus test" emulatorloo Jun 2013 #83
Surely you don't disagree... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #85
Appreciate it emulatorloo Jun 2013 #86
You're right, emotions are running high... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #90
... emulatorloo Jun 2013 #96
Awe, you're mad that the documents aren't being released at your pace. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #14
I'm not defending the NSA. My position is simply that they are following the law. randome Jun 2013 #21
Well, there you go. He's rude. Doesn't matter if he's right or not. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #33
He has made allegations. His source, Ed "I'm not going to hide" Snowden, is in hiding. randome Jun 2013 #37
Her questions should have been neutral but she was pushing a pro-authoritarian agenda rhett o rick Jun 2013 #84
Whistle-blowers are okay. Spies, not so much. randome Jun 2013 #87
You have it totally wrong. Sen Franken said that what they are doing is ok. He didnt say they arent rhett o rick Jun 2013 #92
“I can assure you, this is not about spying on the American people,” randome Jun 2013 #93
Some people are claiming that collecting massive data on American isnt spying. I say bullshit. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #95
he has released several today Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #99
Lawsuits now possible from American citizens who can now prove they were spied upon. Catherina Jun 2013 #7
+1 Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #15
Huge! It's what the ACLU needed too. I couldn't be more delighted Catherina Jun 2013 #18
heard on radio that ACLU filed on behalf of themselves, as a Verizon Biz customer nashville_brook Jun 2013 #22
Interesting times. I'm looking forward to keeping up on this with DU n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #38
at this point in the frenzy he could make up any names he likes w/o evidence Whisp Jun 2013 #27
He's given (at least) Greenwald the list of names under surveillance. Did you not watch the piece? Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #28
I haven't seen anything of the kind. Have you? Whisp Jun 2013 #31
Oh, so you're just pretending all this is not real? Lemme know how that pans out. nt Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #32
I seriously want to see that list. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #50
Me too. Or at least for people to be able to run their name through it n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #57
Are we to assume the ACLU has the list? Laelth Jun 2013 #63
I don't know where it is. The last I heard Greenwald had it Catherina Jun 2013 #68
The basis (standing) for the ACLU's lawsuit, is that the ACLU is a Verizon Business customer n/t DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #77
+10000000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #91
What a shitty interview Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #8
He did. Cha Jun 2013 #76
It was a great interview. And the junior tv journalist may have learned a thing or two. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #79
what a sniveling, little toad! MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #9
How dare he do his job... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #11
His job is feeding his own ego, apparently. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #13
I'm sure you are correct... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #16
Notice he has fully injected himself into the situation. His ego demanded it. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #17
Who cares? ljm2002 Jun 2013 #23
The story has no merit. There was no illegal wiretapping. Despite what Greenwald insinuated. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #30
Oh how I love weasel words... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #35
+1 Well said. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #42
so, you agree that it was legal surveillance? Then there is nothing more to throw a fit about. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #52
You seem to be a little hard of head... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #54
Then the correct course is to change the law, not leak National Secrets. You agree that was illegal? MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #59
You must love Yoo. morningfog Jun 2013 #80
Greenwald is not the arbiter of what is right. He does not make our decisions for us. randome Jun 2013 #53
Mr Greenwald may have gotten himself into a pan full asjr Jun 2013 #61
It's too similar to those who think their guns are being taken away from them. randome Jun 2013 #64
That's a good comparison treestar Jun 2013 #89
Who the hell are you arguing with? ljm2002 Jun 2013 #62
Some 'investigative reporter'. randome Jun 2013 #65
First of all... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #67
He could have spoken with 'unnamed sources', which happens all the time. randome Jun 2013 #69
Snowden has worked for the NSA for 4 years but limited stints at individual contractors. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #71
The reactions so far... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #72
As Luminous Animal points out, he did work at the NSA in different capacities for 4 years. randome Jun 2013 #75
Worthless ad Hominem Hissyspit Jun 2013 #74
project much? bobduca Jun 2013 #88
Fuck Greenwald... SidDithers Jun 2013 #12
... And if *anyone* knows clowns, it's Sid Dithers. AzDar Jun 2013 #19
Colonics and clowns are his passions Dragonfli Jun 2013 #29
+1 ucrdem Jun 2013 #26
Well, a clown, Sid says so... RetroLounge Jun 2013 #97
"What's important here is that I get my CATO talking points in ucrdem Jun 2013 #25
He's not with CATO. As has been shown to you multiple times. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #34
Except when he is. ucrdem Jun 2013 #41
Why don't you read what Greenwald has written in response to pathetic smears like yours. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #45
I've read it, he's wrong. ucrdem Jun 2013 #46
What exactly in the text I just posted is he wrong about? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #47
You can read? RetroLounge Jun 2013 #98
"I am not now, nor have I ever been, employed by the Cato Institute" nt, eom ucrdem Jun 2013 #49
And he is correct. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #70
I like this part: NealK Jun 2013 #100
Nobody has said he didn't speak there. As you know. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #51
he's got libel carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #55
Well, I know that. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #58
LIKE A BOSS! Rex Jun 2013 #36
That's just wrong. randome Jun 2013 #39
ha! Whisp Jun 2013 #40
Glenn Greenwald, like a Koch: ucrdem Jun 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Poll_Blind Jun 2013 #44
Give it up. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #60
That's better. Cha Jun 2013 #78
k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #48
Big K&R! Glenn G is a true American hero. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #56
I like how he sets the tone of the interview Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #73
Greenwald's off the reservation on this story, serial exaggerator DeltaLitProf Jun 2013 #94
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