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Showing Original Post only (View all)Shocking Factoid of the Day: Gas cars use more electricity to go 100 miles than Electric Cars do! [View all]
"There is no exact calculation for how much electricity it takes to drill, transport and refine a gallon of gasoline, but the accepted amount is around 8 kWh. So, for 8 kWh, you can go around 22 miles (using the U.S. average; we know you can go over twice that if you drive a Toyota Prius). That means that a gasoline car uses just under 40 kWh to go 100 miles. An EV, on the other hand, uses around 30 kWh to go 100 miles " (from: http://www.green.autoblog.com/2011/10/14/how-gas-cars-use-more-electricity-to-go-100-miles-than-evs-do/)
Photo taken at the LEAF booth at an auto-show:
From the DOE:
"Subject: Energy to refine gasoline
Dear Mr. Armstrong,
Thank you for your December 4, 2009, electronic mail requesting a reputable source to calculate the energy required to refine a gallon of gasoline. The energy required to refine a gallon of gasoline can be estimated based on the energy content of crude oil and the refinery efficiency of the facility performing the energy conversion; I can provide you a reputable source for both values.
In a 2008 report, Argonne National Lab estimated that the efficiency for producing gasoline of an average U.S. petroleum refinery is between 84% and 88% (Wang, 2008), and Oak Ridge National Lab reports that the net energy content of oil is approximately 132,000 Btu per gallon (Davis, 2009). It is commonly known that a barrel of crude oil generate approximately 45 gallons of refined product (refer to NAS, 2009, Table 3-4 for a publication stating so). Thus, using an 85% refinery efficiency and the aforementioned conversion factors, it can be estimated that about 21,000 Btuthe equivalent of 6 kWhof energy are lost per gallon of gasoline refined:" MORE: http://gatewayev.org/how-much-electricity-is-used-refine-a-gallon-of-gasoline
So, every time we buy a gallon of gas, it seems we are not only paying for what it would cost for us to drive an EV 30 miles, but are paying a huge premium on top of that for oil company profits. Additionally, we pay with increased cancer rates, pollution, and endless wars for oil. Further, I think it's safe to assume that it will take EVEN MORE electricity to refine the shale oil for the Keystone pipeline. It's really time to end this farce. Build a bunch of wind, solar and other unlimited energy plants, and win our future like a civilized country!
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Shocking Factoid of the Day: Gas cars use more electricity to go 100 miles than Electric Cars do! [View all]
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
OP
That energy is already calculated in the energy it takes to build the vehicles, building an electric
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#2
No, the fact that it will take about as much energy to make a gas guzzler as an EV is common sense
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#22
I'm pretty sure the batteries are not made on site but by battery manufacturers and then shipped for
Lionessa
Feb 2012
#7
That's true for a great many components of automobiles, the majority in fact..
Fumesucker
Feb 2012
#11
Correct. Prius batteries travel a great distance before placement into the cars themselves.
cherokeeprogressive
Feb 2012
#18
About the same thing that happens with the oil. But over and over again, every time you fill your
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#23
The energy to make the batteries is a 1 time expense, energy to make a gallon of gas is per gallon
ShadowLiberal
Feb 2012
#9
You have a point, but batteries don't last forever, even if there corrosive chemicals do.
Lionessa
Feb 2012
#13
For the purposes of this discussion it is not useful to measure energy in kwh
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2012
#3
Far less. Every time you drive a Gas car 30 miles, you use a gallon of gas PLUS whatever
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#5
The point is that it requires 7.5 kwh of electricity to make a gallon of gas; so
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#32
Erm, if you're consuming less energy, and that energy is still fossil fuel based...
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#16
You're missing the point of the post - the gas powered car uses the electricity PLUS the gas.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#26
Look at it this way, refining one gallon of gas requires 7.5Kwh of electricity. So,
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#40
The problem with these type of calculations is they ignore the power plant.
former9thward
Feb 2012
#14
Thank you! I don't understand why they want to use the electricity AND the gas to go the same distan
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#29
The calculation is wrong -- 21000 BTU can generate about 2.4 kWhr of electricity
FarCenter
Feb 2012
#39
It takes 7.5 kWh of electricity to just to REFINE one gallon of gas; the car still has not moved.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2012
#41