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6. Please,

Reply to JackRiddler (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 11, 2013, 11:47 PM

Jun 2013

"They've passed laws to justify unconstitutional acts and often criminal government."

...drop the nonsense.

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Rationalizing an authoritarian surveillance state is naive. [View all] JackRiddler Jun 2013 OP

Yeah but Glenn Greenwald invalidates all that so there neverforget Jun 2013 #1

But but but Phlem Jun 2013 #2

Naive is such a kind way to put it NoOneMan Jun 2013 #3

I think it was a reference to the Sensible Liberals' favorite adjective nxylas Jun 2013 #22

Yeah, pretty much. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #64

Best humor posted yet! WovenGems Jun 2013 #102

Imperialism has been claiming humanitarian motives... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #104

"If Snowden was an Iranian or a Chinese ProSense Jun 2013 #4

Legal? It is to laugh. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #5

Please, ProSense Jun 2013 #6

Uh despite your user id, truedelphi Jun 2013 #12

Where you in favor of these programs when GWB was in office? peacebird Jun 2013 #20

You're not going to get a straight answer on that, I wager. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #53

Either this program will be declared unconstitutional or JDPriestly Jun 2013 #23

I guess we'll have to resort to more low tech means marions ghost Jun 2013 #78

Lol, have you been reading what the Europeans think of our 'legal' spying on them? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #67

I think it is more willful ignorance than it is true naivete Skittles Jun 2013 #7

+1 n/t area51 Jun 2013 #21

Thank you for posting. I wholeheartedly agree with your well-written post. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #8

DURec leftstreet Jun 2013 #9

Boom. Starry Messenger Jun 2013 #10

Not naive, suicidal. K&R. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #11

Denial and Defiance. "There isn't a problem/There is a problem but it's not so bad." Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #13

Falling for CATO propaganda is also naive. ucrdem Jun 2013 #14

Then let's turn the conversation to "Why doesn't Obama eliminate these Bush programs now" Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #15

Fine, let's talk about that. ucrdem Jun 2013 #16

Could he veto FISA? End the "patriot act"? Unsign his two signings of the NDAA with its section 1021 Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #17

Could you put those questions in an OP? ucrdem Jun 2013 #18

I encourage you to take the post word-for-word and create an OP. I promised myself to stop arguing Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #19

Clearly it's you who's fallen for some talking point. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #31

That this is a "manufactured RW scandal" is discredited by the fact that even Cheney usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #81

Far from Cato propaganda, I think. Th1onein Jun 2013 #106

congratulations-- this is so well-written and persuasive that the swarm cannot answer it carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #24

naive? more like machiavellian. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #25

Realpolitik is usually very naive. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #32

unless the people doing the rationalizing are actually intelligence operatives HiPointDem Jun 2013 #35

+100 or political operatives. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #40

or both HiPointDem Jun 2013 #41

What are you playing in your head? Skidmore Jun 2013 #93

Kick, Rec and ... if I can find something that fits... I will fucking FRAME it. n/t Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #26

Thanks! (Blush!) JackRiddler Jun 2013 #63

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #27

k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #28

k/r marmar Jun 2013 #29

k&r for a righteous rant. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #30

When you talk about fighting the secret government, perhaps you could elaborate Progressive dog Jun 2013 #33

Is that all you can see - armed uprising or elections? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #34

Oh where oh where have the tea party gone Progressive dog Jun 2013 #39

What I have seen since the 60s is that Mojorabbit Jun 2013 #42

So what, I would think most of the people in the surveillance apparatus Progressive dog Jun 2013 #51

"The government of the US" JackRiddler Jun 2013 #43

The representatives chosen by the people write the laws that Progressive dog Jun 2013 #48

Same bullshit rationalization you hear when Bush is in power. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #50

Same bullshit that people who can't deal with not being in charge spout Progressive dog Jun 2013 #54

You're not in charge of anything. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #55

Outside which parliamentary system, the USA doesn't have one Progressive dog Jun 2013 #56

Your pedestrian understanding of terms is indicative. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #58

Yours understanding is lacking Progressive dog Jun 2013 #59

Is that your idea of a people power movement? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #75

I was mocking you, you don't even live in the USA Progressive dog Jun 2013 #76

Oh, the wounded nationalist calls me a foreigner. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #79

Where are you from? Progressive dog Jun 2013 #80

Foreign elements! Spies! Infiltrators! Commies! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #82

We both know you are not an American, Progressive dog Jun 2013 #84

Vile little man. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #89

Self description huh Progressive dog Jun 2013 #90

Expose the foreign elements! Traitors! Spies! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #100

Five days to think up a reply, huh, Jack Progressive dog Jun 2013 #101

I don't spend my life stalking you, sir. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #103

I never said you did Progressive dog Jun 2013 #105

Another admission Progressive dog Jun 2013 #99

Only 40% of American voters can name the three branches of government Fumesucker Jun 2013 #98

"broad multi-issue coalitions" marions ghost Jun 2013 #74

If the NSA is good at finding out shit why were we lied into a war with Iraq? L0oniX Jun 2013 #36

One of the most fascinating aspects ProSense Jun 2013 #37

So do you think the history of civil rights stopped at Plessy v. Ferguson? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #44

No, that wasn't my argument, but I think you know that. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #45

Merely the upshot. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #49

Thank you so very much! TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #68

Way closer to cut and dry than all the excuses and catch phrases want to think TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #69

I missed you JackRiddler. Octafish Jun 2013 #38

Hey... JackRiddler Jun 2013 #46

Have you heard about the latest in online presence tools? Octafish Jun 2013 #57

Exactly. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #77

It's plain as day jsr Jun 2013 #85

Pretty much. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #94

I wish I could pin this to the top of the forum. LWolf Jun 2013 #47

Thanks. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #52

rec! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #60

Thanks! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #62

People are not naive. felix_numinous Jun 2013 #61

bump JackRiddler Jun 2013 #65

They're not just rationalizing it, they're embracing it. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #66

But only as long as a "D" is president. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #70

And both puppets of Wall St, OilCo, AgriCo, MIC, etc. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #86

+++++so many good points marions ghost Jun 2013 #71

Excellent post -- thank you! n/t markpkessinger Jun 2013 #72

Oh, sure. I bet you'd just LET granny smoke that joint, instead of dragging her ass to jail. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #73

k & r . . . . .n/t annabanana Jun 2013 #83

It's not naive if one *is* an authoritarian in the first place. Rod Walker Jun 2013 #87

Most of them are followers, of course. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #88

Today, I've decided that this is still true. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #91

Oh look, the next day bump. JackRiddler Jun 2013 #92

Did I say #Snowden yet? JackRiddler Jun 2013 #95

98 recs! Thanks DU! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #96

oops JackRiddler Jun 2013 #97