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ohheckyeah

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172. Father's response to Fox News coverage of the incident and other comments made on Facebook about it:
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 07:23 PM
Feb 2012

Tommy Jordan
My response to the Dallas Fox affiliate on their news headline. You can read the headline by clicking the link below:




I've made it a point of not responding to news or media thus far, but I'm going to reply to a few specific issues mentioned from the news anchors:

First, let me say Thanks for not making me out as a TOTAL villain, though you cut-together enough footage sequences to make it seem that way in segments...


It was an emotional response: Yes ma’am it was an emotional response. I raised my children to never use that kind of language, especially in a public place like that. There were so many vulgarities… I don’t even know where to start. She was mad and I get that, but there are way to talk about things without resorting to that kind of language.

Secondly, and I’ve said this on Facebook as well, but I’m sure it will get lost in the flotsam of comments out there; I shouldn’t have said the word “ass.” I’ll agree that wasn’t a good example of me as a father. I had been reading that post again and again for about an hour, sometimes in tears, other times so mad my hands were shaking and I was trying very hard to be civil in my message. I slipped in that and said a word I shouldn’t have. I deserve a little backlash for that, no doubt.

In response to Dr Fletcher’s comments:
Fifteen year olds don’t the social maturity to know what the consequence might be? I learned at about age 3 what good words were.. and what bad word were. I learned what I should say, and what I shouldn’t say. Those lessons were reinforced throughout my life as a pre-teen, teenager, and later into adulthood. I think it’s safe to assume we’ve attempted to instill in her the values that should make it obvious to ANY 15-year old that neither the content, nor its publication to the world at large was acceptable for any child, or even any adult for that matter.

The punishment wasn’t natural or logical?
She’s known the rules for Facebook ever since she was allowed to have an account. She’s broken them from time to time, sometimes by accident, sometimes as a way of stretching her boundaries to see just how firm the boundaries were. This was neither. Her post was WAY over the top.

The Dr mentioned she “doesn’t really know what my daughter will learn from this consequence.” I hoped that would be self-explanatory, but I guess you can’t see that without knowing the rest of the story. The last time she did something completely inappropriate, she was grounded from the Internet for three months. The very day she got it back we had a nice long amicable talk about what was and was not acceptable and that I wanted her to have a chance to prove she was responsible enough to utilize the internet unsupervised… by exercising her renewed freedom in a responsible way. The point of this being that proving you can be trusted to be responsible in one venue can lead to increased freedoms in other venues. I ended that conversation with a warning. I told her if no uncertain terms that we had already taken it away from her once. The next time, there wouldn’t be the same chance. If it happened again, “I’ll put a bullet through it.”

The "This one's from your mom" comment:
Before I made the video this week, I called my wife at her office, mostly in tears. The first words out of my mouth were “Please convince me not to put a bullet through Hannah’s laptop.” She knew something was wrong and asked me to be sensible and tell her what happened. Instead I began reading her the Facebook post our daughter made. She let me get to the end of the post, said “I’m sorry honey” and then said “put one in it for me while you’re at it”… so I did.

Contradiction in Terms?
No I don’t think so. Yes I told my daughter not to air that kind of material on Facebook because it was hurtful to other people. It embarrassed them. It caused them to feel humiliated, especially our very very good friend, who is NOT a cleaning lady by any stretch of the imagination!

Instead, I simply turned the tables and let her be on the receiving end of something and see how it made her feel. You mentioned not embellishing it, not sensationalizing it. I didn’t. I read exactly what she put out there for the world to see, in her own words. Then I added a few of my own words to it.

And then, yes, I shot it full of holes. Would I have received the same viral attention if I’d used it as a dog toy, hit it with a hammer, drove over it with the truck, or simply thrown it away? I’m not sure. But the point is that her parents told her “If it happens again, I’ll put a bullet through it.”
So, rather than let her push that particular boundary any further, I did absolutely no more and no less than I promised I’d do. Do I regret doing it? No. Do I regret keeping it on Facebook long enough to cause this stir? Yes. However at this time I feel that if I took the post or the video down, I'd just make it appear that we're running in shame from it, and we're not.

Truthfully though the social attention has helped her and I both deal with it. We had our discussion about it after she returned home from school. We set the ground rules for her punishment, and then I let her read some of the comments on Facebook with me at my computer. At first it was upsetting. Then as we read it became less so, eventually funny to both of us. At the end, she was amazed that other people had such amazingly strong reactions. Some said she’d grow up to be a stripper. Others that she’d get pregnant and become drug addicted because of the emotional damage. She actually asked me to go on Facebook and ask if there was anything else the victim of a laptop-homicide could do besides stripping because all the posts seem to mention that particular job and she wasn’t so keen on that one.

So in the end, she’s fine. My Facebook wall will never be the same again, and we’ll be OK as a family and she’ll grow up happy, healthy, and have everything she needs, but not everything she wants. And I absolutely guarantee she’ll never doubt my resolve to follow-through on a consequence again.
https://www.facebook.com/tommyjordaniii/posts/105495699574209


Fox News coverage: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/news/unusual/video%3A-angry-dad-shoots-daughter%E2%80%99s-laptop-020912

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that was the only part that seems worthwhile. Schema Thing Feb 2012 #1
Having watched the extended version, I've softened toward the guy--don't think he's nutz, just TwilightGardener Feb 2012 #2
That was my take too. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #3
This changes my opinion on him completely arely staircase Feb 2012 #6
His daughter should get the fuck out of that abusive situation as soon as possible. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #4
she sounds like a spoiled brat to me nt arely staircase Feb 2012 #7
Spoiled until the reality of the consequences starts to creep in... Tikki Feb 2012 #14
Are you out of your fucking mind? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #15
No. Sounds like he has awakened arely staircase Feb 2012 #31
OK, but you don't shoot shit. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #44
I think he picked an over the top way arely staircase Feb 2012 #61
Are you kidding me? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #70
Sounds like you have never used a gun to destroy or celebrate anything. arely staircase Feb 2012 #81
Oh, so he's celebrating now? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #86
no I didn't say he was celebrating anything arely staircase Feb 2012 #92
There's a difference between shooting sports and threatening your teenage daughter. TheWraith Feb 2012 #123
devoid of the context in which it occurred, sure arely staircase Feb 2012 #129
There's no context that makes violently threatening your child okay. TheWraith Feb 2012 #141
no, it doesn't clearly say that arely staircase Feb 2012 #147
Well, if I'm understanding him correctly justiceischeap Feb 2012 #186
Sounds like you just hate the big scary gun... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #131
Given it away = A-OK. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #143
A lot of teens think the world revolves around them. That's just the way it is. Arkansas Granny Feb 2012 #78
I guess we all see it through the lense arely staircase Feb 2012 #169
It was not her computer. It is his and he allowed her to use it. IndyJones Feb 2012 #130
He refers to it as hers. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #145
+1 sarcasmo Feb 2012 #36
I doubt she wants to leave the comforts of home. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #9
read this and tell me again that the daughter is in an abusive situation, please. ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #184
Dad got mad when he found out daughter had complained about parents on facebook. Quantess Feb 2012 #5
I suppose the first step is turning in the application. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #10
It might be hard to know that if you've never applied for a job though. hughee99 Feb 2012 #12
Do you think laziness warrants someone shooting a possession? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #30
She doesn't sound lazy to me. Sounds like she does her fair share but whines about it. Quantess Feb 2012 #45
I know. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #47
read this and tell me she is going to be messed up, will ya please. ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #185
awesome fristian diagnosis... dionysus Feb 2012 #211
If you think he did just this because she didnt apply for jobs hughee99 Feb 2012 #49
She's not 18. They aren't her possessions. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #56
And shooting something then publicly humiliating her... originalpckelly Feb 2012 #73
It's escalation. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #83
What if she'd just been saying this to her friends? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #89
facebook <> diary lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #108
so a grown man shoots a laptop and a 12 year old burns down a house Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #97
She'd be better off as a 16 year old girl on the street or in foster care? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #115
she'd be better off if there was some professional intervention. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #124
Family therapy is probably a great idea. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #125
If this had happenned during a divorce proceeding, Angry Gun Dad Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #171
Who says he's fight for custody? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #194
Wouldn't matter if he did. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #200
Exactly. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #118
I have a feeling she's a ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #99
Shame is an excellent motivation tool... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #139
Break someone down to build them up? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #146
One of many... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #178
Yeah, because he's clearly incredibly rational. You could tell that when he SHOT A LAPTOP. TheWraith Feb 2012 #34
If it's effective, then it will be rational. If it's as ineffective as the previous grounding, then Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #42
I can't believe I'm agreeing with you on something nt arely staircase Feb 2012 #71
It happens. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #72
Still, it is unnerving arely staircase Feb 2012 #98
I suspect they've had a discussion or two before, hughee99 Feb 2012 #55
It gets the point across that he responds to criticism with violence. TheWraith Feb 2012 #112
It's gets his point accross that the luxuries she takes for granted now hughee99 Feb 2012 #126
Yes, he did. TheWraith Feb 2012 #158
He seems to have a rational reason for destroying it. hughee99 Feb 2012 #197
Ah, I see you've decided to continue this discussion elsewhere... hughee99 Feb 2012 #153
I'm sorry, I was under the impression this was a discussion board. TheWraith Feb 2012 #160
You certainly don't. hughee99 Feb 2012 #164
Would a baseball bat have been okay? ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #60
Most normal people understand what guns were made for: originalpckelly Feb 2012 #66
He did use it to kill something... ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #76
The implicit threat of violence isn't abusive? Really? TheWraith Feb 2012 #116
You would be trespassing......he wasn't. He paid for her laptop, you didn't pay for my computer. ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #121
My laptop has never been the same after watching the video. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #195
No, NO PART OF IT was okay. TheWraith Feb 2012 #96
"violence"? lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #122
Exactly, she complained. He is concerned about his reputation with a 15yr old's facebook friends! siligut Feb 2012 #29
He should grow up. MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #8
I'm scared that the young lady, however a little fucker she may be... originalpckelly Feb 2012 #20
Its hard to say for sure. It isn't healthy that's for sure, he may get a visit for it. MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #69
You know what? I am getting tired of the adjective i own my story Feb 2012 #11
You would rather call her work-adept? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #13
I would rather like to call the cops... originalpckelly Feb 2012 #17
That would be great. Have social services come get her. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #26
Social services are there to help stop abuse not steal daughters. MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #84
He could have just donated the laptop to a charity. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #16
He explains why he does it quite extensively in the video. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #18
I don't want to hear any explanation. Such an act has NO explanation. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #21
He's scary and fucked in the head. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #23
That would really teach her a lesson. Put her into the system. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #25
I don't think they keep statistics ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #63
Ears wide shut. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #24
When does it become an implied threat to her safety? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #27
He's tried taking it away. It's very clear in the video why he did this. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #28
Huh? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #35
It's a grandiose gesture designed for maximum effect. Designed for her and her friends. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #50
He's "tried" and... what? The Spoiled Brat Invisible Force Field prevented him? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #48
I'm the same way with murder trials. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #53
What the fucking fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING? 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #58
when the man of the house hacks his kids heads off and blows them up Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #102
I watched the video too... originalpckelly Feb 2012 #22
Not sure if it can be termed "a shooting." nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #33
Oh, OK. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #38
There was a shooting in Chicago last night. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #62
Let me ask you: originalpckelly Feb 2012 #68
A deviant like me. I don't like idiots with guns, and I don't like public humiliation rituals. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #37
He didn't shoot her. ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #54
Your brain can change shape just from being yelled at and verbally abused. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #77
She wasn't there and I would be ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #87
Your post is 100% correct. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #19
Is this even real? dogman Feb 2012 #32
She'll have a lot of time to consider it without the internet. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #39
I know. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #43
It depends. ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #93
I'm pretty sure that would be considered illegal. PassingFair Feb 2012 #174
I didn't say I would be okay with it. ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #176
Over the top? Probably. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #40
Most responses would not be over the top. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #52
Abusive to who or what? ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #56
A child has belongings at the suffrage of their guardians. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #64
Your last paragraph is likely correct, and is more proof he's a clueless ego-driven idiot. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #75
We're all ego-driven. She was ego-driven to post what she did, too. lumberjack_jeff Feb 2012 #85
I think parenting should be taught in school. Cleita Feb 2012 #41
With an attitude like that, the mother, father, and housekeeper may be Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #46
What I don't understand is why she needs to do all those chores if they have a housekeeper? Cleita Feb 2012 #59
He makes it clear that she is not a full-time housekeeper. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #65
The woman helps them with cleaning ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #67
Well, from what I can observe from the outside looking in Cleita Feb 2012 #74
I don't think we have any reason ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #79
They could have simply removed the laptop from her possession. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #82
They did that before according to him ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #88
Here's the thing: they could just decide not to give it back. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #94
Something tells me ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #103
No, kids shouldn't do anything they want to but it seems to me Cleita Feb 2012 #95
We don't know that this hasn't already happened to her. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #80
We don't have any reason to believe ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #91
How about taking the laptop away, locking it away for awhile, or giving it away? Cleita Feb 2012 #101
No, destroying the laptop ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #113
I think you knew that the watermelon wasn't a part of you or belonged to you. Cleita Feb 2012 #120
Well, the watermelon could have been ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #132
Sounds like things weren't too harmonious in your household. Cleita Feb 2012 #134
Maybe you think that because you ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #144
Father's response to Fox News coverage of the incident and other comments made on Facebook about it: ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #172
Look I grew up with discipline. I went to Catholic school in the forties and fifties. Cleita Feb 2012 #173
yeah she's not the cleaning lady, she's just the lady who cleans. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #119
Stay classy. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #161
You do realize that you had a VERY UNUSUAL upbringing, right? Most families do not belong TwilightGardener Feb 2012 #156
I understand giving kids chores, but it sounds like she has Cleita Feb 2012 #175
People will generally rise to the expectations given. Nevernose Feb 2012 #177
She's still the kid and he is the adult. Cleita Feb 2012 #180
and how long does it take to sweep a floor, do some dishes (if they need to be done) Maine-ah Feb 2012 #183
I dunno, it usually takes me the better part of a morning, but then I'm 72. Cleita Feb 2012 #202
ok, well, I'm half your age Maine-ah Feb 2012 #205
Excuse me, but I never mentioned his accent or speech Cleita Feb 2012 #207
you kind of opened the door on it. Maine-ah Feb 2012 #208
Really? Like no other men do shit like that in northern or western states? Cleita Feb 2012 #210
You would have thought my mother was the worst woman on the planet justiceischeap Feb 2012 #189
Well, I think I made that point on another post that teenagers are going to talk about their Cleita Feb 2012 #203
Good for him - ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #51
+1 my2sense Feb 2012 #90
She's 15 not 5. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #110
Tell that to the parents ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #117
"Is it really preparing her for the real world" boppers Feb 2012 #182
at 15, a parent should still be checking in on the social websites Maine-ah Feb 2012 #187
Ya know... I taught High School... Bigmack Feb 2012 #100
You said it so much better than me. Cleita Feb 2012 #104
+1 Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #106
Seriously? ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #107
this guy is so wacked that he posted a video publicly berating his daughter Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #111
Why are you assuming that you know ohheckyeah Feb 2012 #137
He didn't hack into her page justiceischeap Feb 2012 #190
It's an implied threat of violence. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #114
She sounds devastated. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #198
you may want to look into what is considered child abuse treestar Feb 2012 #179
His over-the-top response to his daughter is, well, MineralMan Feb 2012 #105
I can't take anything a bread-eating conservate says seriously. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #109
Uh, OK. Why don't we just let that whole thing MineralMan Feb 2012 #151
Watch what you say. Rex Feb 2012 #167
I don't often agree with you, but in this I do. Cleita Feb 2012 #128
Adolescents can be very difficult to deal MineralMan Feb 2012 #150
I'm not clutching my pearls over this one. We are only hearing one side of the story here IndyJones Feb 2012 #127
Hey, why not just let him put a fist through the wall in his house. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #133
Better than that. Put a stick of dynamite in his house and blow it up. Cleita Feb 2012 #135
Okay, if he does that then let us all know. IndyJones Feb 2012 #138
Have you seen the walls in their house? originalpckelly Feb 2012 #148
That's quite a leap. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #155
better a fist through a wall than to a face. Maine-ah Feb 2012 #188
That's sad. PassingFair Feb 2012 #196
um, yeah because I have tons of anger issues... Maine-ah Feb 2012 #206
He should have just given the computer to the housekeeper Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #136
If she needed one, that would have been a great idea. IndyJones Feb 2012 #140
He seems like he might be an ok guy JNelson6563 Feb 2012 #142
No... originalpckelly Feb 2012 #149
She sounds like she'll make a great member of the 1%. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #157
I think the girl should get the fuck away from this bully. Swede Feb 2012 #152
She would miss the comforts of home. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #159
Not one bit. Swede Feb 2012 #162
You're right. She'd probably be happier in foster care. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #163
Without a bullet in her,happy and alive. Swede Feb 2012 #165
Yep. I'm sure she's calling social services right now. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #168
I should hope so. Swede Feb 2012 #170
He shouldn't even be able to post stuff like this on the internet. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #193
Don't forget about the sexual abuse she could look forward to as well. justiceischeap Feb 2012 #191
But maybe they would have internet access. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #192
Daddy is an asshole....who wanted to show that he was a "real man"..gun and all AnOhioan Feb 2012 #154
As long as he is projecting his feelings (bullets) into objects Rex Feb 2012 #166
The idiot should of donated the laptop to an unselfish deserving person, not destroy it Guy Montag Feb 2012 #181
She soulds devastated. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #199
This guy is surprised his daughter has anger issues? randr Feb 2012 #201
Hmm. who is the better one here? A bratty 15 year old or her nutso Dad? Jennicut Feb 2012 #204
He posted this on youtube, thus seeking as much attention for himself as possible. HuckleB Feb 2012 #209
that's the only good thing about it. nt Terra Alta Feb 2012 #212
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