Rationalizing an authoritarian surveillance state is naive.

[JackRiddler]

34. Is that all you can see - armed uprising or elections?

What a limited perspective. The most important political changes in this country in the last century have come through social movements. Everything that happens here is due to money power or people power. Time for the people power to come back to the streets, to civil disobedience, to self-organized centers, to strikes and "one big union" and broad, multi-issue coalitions.

Obama 2008 involved a very large social movement of its own, in fact, and immediately ended it: the order from on high was to go home (leaving a vacuum for the Tea Party), "we got this," and now look. All the Bush surveillance and police state programs have been developed five years further, and are justified as necessary and good.

No I am not saying the government could not overturn this system. I am saying they won't, they are bought, they are implicated. They won't, without people power demanding it. Rather than asking me questions that make little sense, how about you discover some justified outrage at this machinery of repression and go encourage your neighbors to do the same?