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In reply to the discussion: Please check in if you oppose the massive surveillance being conducted on American citizens [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)269. It was Congress's political decision to grant immunity to North that screwed up th conviction
I have explained this to you before, yet you insist on lying - I will repost it for you again.
North was indicted in March 1988 on 16 Iran/contra charges, along with Poindexter, retired U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen. Richard V. Secord and Albert Hakim in a 23-count indictment. After the cases were severed and the central conspiracy charges were dropped due to classified-information problems, North stood trial beginning in February 1989 on 12 counts. On May 4, 1989, he was found guilty of three counts, including aiding and abetting obstruction of Congress, shredding and altering official documents, and accepting an illegal gratuity from Secord
The appeals were argued at the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on February 6, 1990. The court ruled on July 20, 1990.
By a 2-1 vote, the Appeals Court set aside North's convictions. The divided court ruled that Judge Gesell erred in failing to hold a full hearing as required by Kastigar to ensure that the prosecution witnesses made no use of North's immunized congressional testimony.
Despite the dismissal of North's convictions, the prosecution of the case showed that even individuals entrenched in national security matters can be held accountable for crimes committed in the course of their official duties. It was not classified information, after all, that caused North to prevail on appeal. It was Congress's political decision to grant immunity to North, despite the danger it posed to prosecution.
You really should stop defending Republicans illegal actions and suggesting they are untouchable. The rule of law is the only thing that is there to keep them and frankly all of us in line.
Do not hold some above the law for political reasons unless you dare admit a belief that there are those the law applies to and those that they do not apply to, in truth such a system is not a Democracy.
I do not know if you take your stance due to loyalty to criminal Republicans or loyalty to those too spineless to charge them with the crimes they have committed, but neither option would endear me to your POV.
The appeals were argued at the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit on February 6, 1990. The court ruled on July 20, 1990.
By a 2-1 vote, the Appeals Court set aside North's convictions. The divided court ruled that Judge Gesell erred in failing to hold a full hearing as required by Kastigar to ensure that the prosecution witnesses made no use of North's immunized congressional testimony.
Despite the dismissal of North's convictions, the prosecution of the case showed that even individuals entrenched in national security matters can be held accountable for crimes committed in the course of their official duties. It was not classified information, after all, that caused North to prevail on appeal. It was Congress's political decision to grant immunity to North, despite the danger it posed to prosecution.
You really should stop defending Republicans illegal actions and suggesting they are untouchable. The rule of law is the only thing that is there to keep them and frankly all of us in line.
Do not hold some above the law for political reasons unless you dare admit a belief that there are those the law applies to and those that they do not apply to, in truth such a system is not a Democracy.
I do not know if you take your stance due to loyalty to criminal Republicans or loyalty to those too spineless to charge them with the crimes they have committed, but neither option would endear me to your POV.
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Please check in if you oppose the massive surveillance being conducted on American citizens [View all]
cali
Jun 2013
OP
We tend to be short attention span people because we live in a short attention span world
tavalon
Jun 2013
#381
He wears boxer shorts too, how shocking. And he abandons ballerinas, that was the last straw for me
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#403
I oppose mass surveillance regardless which state it is, and who it is spying on.
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#18
-1. I oppose the persecution of President Obama by supposed democratic supporters.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#28
I find the entire issue persecution of the president which started with Rev. Wright, and has
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#36
My support was Wilson over third party candidate Teddy Roosevelt. who was NOT a pacifist and
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#112
Interesting. Woodrow Wilson was a racist who resegregated the Federal government
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#116
Taking G4A previous posts into consideration, racism is a minor issue as long as one has D after
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#124
I oppose the blind support of anyone. Our leaders are not gods, not even approaching being deities.
RC
Jun 2013
#59
That is why I do NOT support what Alan Grayson said yesterday. Comparing to Nixon. Shameful.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#91
I support the Congressman. You I reject, your rude derailing of important discussions is
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#108
I supported Wilson not Roosevelt. I don't support 3rd party candidates for President.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#110
That was 1912. You did not support anyone in that election. 1912. No drones in 1912.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#119
I support Democrats like Grayson who stand up for our Constitutional rights as their oaths require
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#277
I opposed it before, and before that, and previously before that, and I still do.
Ford_Prefect
Jun 2013
#49
This all encompassing spying on Americans is satisfying the whim of Some Rich Guy
fasttense
Jun 2013
#54
but it has stopped many 9-11s. When nothing happened, it means it worked.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#206
yes. There has not been another 9-11 by professional terrrorists in the USA since 9-11
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#220
For a few minutes I actually was willing to give G4A a benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately it looks
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#320
It was Congress's political decision to grant immunity to North that screwed up th conviction
Dragonfli
Jun 2013
#269
as if spying on ourselves isn't bad enough, but we are being forced to pay for it too
Snake Plissken
Jun 2013
#70
Very Good She & Her BFF Are Volunteering At The Catholic Charities Thrift Store Today
HangOnKids
Jun 2013
#242
"If you support all this,it would be nice if you could just ignore this thread"
cartach
Jun 2013
#92
And yet your post contains no objections, no specific words supporting that which you
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#111
Politely asking to refrain from posting is "will not be tolerated"? This post is not a poll, its a
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#114
You can count on it being the tip of the iceberg. A few brave people are speaking out at the risk
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#109
Until I receive detailed information to the contrary, I stand with ACLU on this...
hlthe2b
Jun 2013
#107
I work at a prominent neo-con think tank and post far right ideology on this board frequently,
grahamhgreen
Jun 2013
#122
I'm pretty sure he's agreeing with you and making fun of a certain clownish figure who constantly
Guy Whitey Corngood
Jun 2013
#148
Damn, I thought you were replying to G4A. My apologies. The poster you replying to is agreeing with
idwiyo
Jun 2013
#150
I have never seen Grahamgreen support the Graham Cracker, the former does have a sense of humor tho
Dragonfli
Jun 2013
#275
Why would a government engage in mass surveillance of the law abiding Citizens?
westerebus
Jun 2013
#153
I'm encouraged that many see this continuation of the War on US Citizens for what it is...
westerebus
Jun 2013
#414
Fuck yeah! For democracy's sake, we can't tolerate Google for Tyrants. n/t
backscatter712
Jun 2013
#167
(raising hand in opposition to unreasonable searches and seizures of all kinds)
kestrel91316
Jun 2013
#175
I am concerned about the oversight and the cost versus the benefit of not only this program
grantcart
Jun 2013
#223
on a democratic and progressive forum..every member should be checking in..imo..nt
xiamiam
Jun 2013
#233
I absolutely oppose the Mass Surveillance that is currently being done on EVERY American
TakeALeftTurn
Jun 2013
#272
Do you mean the secret surveillance of the federal police, or the surveillance done
jtuck004
Jun 2013
#300
Finally, an issue that every right wing nut I work with agrees with me on forward and backward...
Not Sure
Jun 2013
#309
Remember that this is what we know from whistle-blowers. What is still hidden? n/t
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#405
We stand with the other 40% of Democrats who are opposed to the surveillance state
AZ Progressive
Jun 2013
#411