General Discussion

pnwmom

(110,261 posts) Wed Jun 12, 2013, 02:52 PM Jun 2013

So Snowden shows up in Hong Kong just when Obama is meeting with the Chinese [View all]

to discuss Chinese hacking.

And Snowden just happens to choose this moment to reveal U.S. hacking of China.

And the timing of this is all just a huge coincidence -- it certainly wasn't planned when he took that little vacation to Hong Kong months ago. Right.

Are any members of the fan club starting to see another side to this guy? Or is he still a hero?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/snowden-wants-people-of-hong-kong-to-decide-my-fate/2013/06/12/a69e94ee-d370-11e2-a73e-826d299ff459_story.html

HONG KONG — Edward Snowden, the self-confessed leaker of secret surveillance documents, claimed Wednesday that the United States has mounted massive hacking operations against hundreds of Chinese targets since 2009.

The former contractor, whose work at the National Security Agency gave him access to highly classified U.S. intelligence, made the assertions in an interview with the South China Morning Post. The newspaper said he showed it “unverified documents” describing an extensive U.S. campaign to obtain information from computers in Hong Kong and mainland China.

136 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

So Snowden shows up in Hong Kong just when Obama is meeting with the Chinese [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

Does this guy even know what he's saying? flamingdem Jun 2013 #1

Im beginning to think he took that job... bunnies Jun 2013 #2

yep. and he got some help, and not Greenwald's, for the access. Whisp Jun 2013 #24

Totally. bunnies Jun 2013 #30

Of course he did....he went to work there AFTER he talked to Greenwald in January VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #56

thanks. I didnt know that little tidbit. bunnies Jun 2013 #76

ty. That was the bit I couldn't recall. How the timing worked so oddly. Plus Whisp Jun 2013 #116

Nah the guy had enough work history to get the job... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #117

I say that because his fast tracking looks suspicious. Whisp Jun 2013 #118

Are we still at war with EastAsia? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #3

East Asia isn't a precise term. pnwmom Jun 2013 #4

Are we still at war with Germany..we spy on them too? How about the American people? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #5

Yes, Oceania has always been at war with EastAsia MNBrewer Jun 2013 #54

Newsflash: China is not our friend and never will be. Hekate Jun 2013 #64

he works for the chinese arely staircase Jun 2013 #6

That's what I'm wondering. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #9

Oh, brother. Do you have some proof, or is that just more tinfoil hat stuff? Marr Jun 2013 #35

whistleblower, lol arely staircase Jun 2013 #39

he is begging them to let him stay there and he is giving them info on our operations against them arely staircase Jun 2013 #49

So, tinfoil then-- thanks. /nt Marr Jun 2013 #58

I think he works for the Chinese as well... SummerSnow Jun 2013 #77

Is Thomas Drake there too? LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #7

He clearly works for the Chinese. HappyMe Jun 2013 #8

I heard he didn't always chat with neighbors, too-- and sometimes-- Marr Jun 2013 #38

..... HappyMe Jun 2013 #42

Could be, but why did he come forward after getting away with it? apples and oranges Jun 2013 #79

Money and timing. HappyMe Jun 2013 #90

I hate conspiracy theories... Wait Wut Jun 2013 #10

I think you meant while Obama was at "Sunnylands" not in Hong Kong, though. n/t KoKo Jun 2013 #11

Technically, that's true. pnwmom Jun 2013 #12

You realize that Sunnylands is in the United States, right? /nt Marr Jun 2013 #45

No, I assumed it was a joke name for somewhere in China. pnwmom Jun 2013 #73

NPR..Chinese Premier and Entourage Skip "Sunnyland Guest Rooms" for fear of US Spying KoKo Jun 2013 #94

Velly interesting indeed! malaise Jun 2013 #13

Won't stop the cultists here Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #14

+++ Whisp Jun 2013 #27

++++ flamingdem Jun 2013 #31

Won't stop the cultists here who worship this man MNBrewer Jun 2013 #47

I'm quite sure you did Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #50

good cultists are always quite sure MNBrewer Jun 2013 #57

I wouldn't know Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #59

You seem to know quite well, actually MNBrewer Jun 2013 #66

You think? Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #67

No, you tell ME more MNBrewer Jun 2013 #70

Okay Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #80

My first thought Autumn Jun 2013 #81

heh SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #112

They're more like Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #71

Indeed Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #108

Neither a Paulbot nor an Obamabot, be. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #114

Its not.about.Snowden LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #85

+++++ Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #124

Chinese Hacking Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #15

Comic relief, thanks Hekate Jun 2013 #91

Pretty sure it involves Aerows Jun 2013 #96

He's a Paulbot and he thinks he's striking a blow against the Empire (USA) NightWatcher Jun 2013 #16

The Paul connection is important Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #17

Yup. Ordinary Republicans are generally much less obnoxious pnwmom Jun 2013 #19

Exactly! A Paul bumpersticker says "I don't know shit about politics" NightWatcher Jun 2013 #20

Pure BOrG Crap� BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #18

No, I don't believe in the death penalty. pnwmom Jun 2013 #21

WTH does BOrG Crap mean? bunnies Jun 2013 #26

The Borg from Star Trek BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #37

This is really insulting on a democratic site that supports the President and the party. graham4anything Jun 2013 #69

At the end of the day, every single person here is working for the same thing Whisp Jun 2013 #89

I no longer believe that, Whisp, sorry to say Hekate Jun 2013 #97

I didn't make myself clear then, Hekate. Whisp Jun 2013 #100

Thanks Hekate Jun 2013 #101

It is a term used Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #104

Well... bunnies Jun 2013 #125

Exceedingly accurate assessment! You Better Believe It! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #126

Snowden revealed today to a Chinese newspaper that Skidmore Jun 2013 #32

And the NSA is sharing the data they gather with other countries so they can spy too BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #40

This might be important--that is NOT just a "Chinese Newspaper." MADem Jun 2013 #106

Oh shit! This just gets worse. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #128

It just gets more and more interesting, doesn't it? emulatorloo Jun 2013 #130

People forget that the Bush family is deeply rooted in China going back to the early 70s. blm Jun 2013 #136

working for the chinese is probably not accurate arely staircase Jun 2013 #43

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #46

yes. arely staircase Jun 2013 #52

Yeah, it's kind of strange, isn't it? Marr Jun 2013 #51

What a clever new acronym you felt compelled to invent Hekate Jun 2013 #87

he sure as fuck didn't plan this alone, neither only with Greenwald. Whisp Jun 2013 #22

China has known since 2006 that we spy on them, so it's really too late to say anything about it now DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #23

It's a PR coup to have this happen now, and it will undermine Obama pnwmom Jun 2013 #25

The PR is going to be horribly ugly for the President, in China, in Europe, & maybe at home. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #28

This is the worst aspect of this and can't be a flamingdem Jun 2013 #33

PO met with the Chinese guy in PALM SPRlNGS. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #29

what's the connection flamingdem Jun 2013 #34

Good question. ucrdem Jun 2013 #41

Do you even understand the captions in the photo? BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #48

The Obama caption was EarlG's little joke. nt ucrdem Jun 2013 #53

ha! Perfect cartoon flamingdem Jun 2013 #55

It was pretty bad. ucrdem Jun 2013 #60

jeez, this twerp managed to cause this disaster flamingdem Jun 2013 #61

Oh I think we know who's behind this. ucrdem Jun 2013 #65

All about undermining Obama? flamingdem Jun 2013 #74

It's mainly about politics sure. ucrdem Jun 2013 #83

Carlyle Group owns Booz Allen flamingdem Jun 2013 #88

I think they're largely in the business of war. ucrdem Jun 2013 #92

Ah, yes-- a brilliant scheme. They� are truly diabolical... Marr Jun 2013 #84

Admit it, he's attempting to undermine the administration flamingdem Jun 2013 #93

I don't care what he's trying to do. Marr Jun 2013 #134

ARE YOU WORKING FOR THE CHINESE?! Marr Jun 2013 #63

LOL Sorry. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #98

Thank you, you're right. But the point is the same. pnwmom Jun 2013 #109

I called it on Monday: ucrdem Jun 2013 #113

Yes, you did! n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #115

And another made-for-TV scandal takes a dive. ucrdem Jun 2013 #123

Bingo. It worked, too: big setback in Obama's negotiations with Xi ucrdem Jun 2013 #36

Coinkydinks like this are why I waited for more information before crucifying Prez. Obama... Hekate Jun 2013 #44

And yet for waiting to learn facts, we are labeled NSA enablers & Obama cultists. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #102

Oh yeah, I just bow down and worship the NSA every midnight... Hekate Jun 2013 #105

here's my baseless conspiracy theory RainDog Jun 2013 #62

That would not surprise me at all. Laelth Jun 2013 #103

LOL RainDog Jun 2013 #107

Only time will tell, I suppose. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #110

Obama is in Hong Kong? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #68

Hong Kong is part of China, and Obama is in the midst of negotiating pnwmom Jun 2013 #75

Maybe Obama should have come clean then, when he had the chance MNBrewer Jun 2013 #82

No...that was last weekend at Annenberg Estate in Palm Springs, CA.. KoKo Jun 2013 #99

Pics here: ucrdem Jun 2013 #111

Saw this interesting quote.... dont know who penned it SummerSnow Jun 2013 #72

There are no coincidences in politics - FDR bunnies Jun 2013 #86

This is Standard BFEE ops, imo. When Clinton was getting close w/China someone 'bombed' blm Jun 2013 #78

+1 ucrdem Jun 2013 #95

BushInc has a knack for finding and exploiting vulnerable, borderline personalities to blm Jun 2013 #135

Thanks for reminding me about the accidental bombing. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #132

Tried found guilty and soon to be nineteen50 Jun 2013 #119

Yeah, he's going to be droned. Uh-huh. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #121

Sock puppets play personality politics blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #120

He's the one that's made this all about him. He chose not to remain anonymous. pnwmom Jun 2013 #122

Name another leaker who has appeared in his own glossy video emulatorloo Jun 2013 #131

He is a snake, a traitor and a pawn for someone. appleannie1 Jun 2013 #127

There is no question that the intent is to embarrass the Obama Administration. He is no hero to me still_one Jun 2013 #129

There are Times in Our History..when our Presidents ...really NEED to be Embarassed...... KoKo Jun 2013 #133