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Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts) Wed Jun 12, 2013, 04:07 PM Jun 2013

At this point the Snowden fan club has a lot of egg on their faces. [View all]

This guy ran off to Hong Kong (a Chinese protectorate) and essentially revealed classified information detailing how we've been hacking Chinese information systems for years. It's no surprise that the US engages in this kind of activity, just like China, UK, Israel, Russia etc.

Believe it or not, spy agencies actually spy on other countries. Shocking, I know.

But to reveal to China detailed information about how we've hacked their information systems crosses the line in a big way. I never liked this guy and I've been pilloried here for not worshiping him. Now you know why.

It's not right for an individual to undermine a government program just because THEY feel it's wrong, unless the program is actually criminal. It appears as though there was no criminal activity when it comes to NSA surveillance. There was oversight by Congress and it was also approved by the independent judiciary.

I agree that the NSA does go too far with surveillance of Americans, but that should be resolved through legislation and judges appointed by elected officials. There needs to be pressure to change the laws.

Law changes are made by elected legislators.

Nobody elected Edward Snowden.

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At this point the Snowden fan club has a lot of egg on their faces. [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 OP

Makes one wonder if he was working for them all along Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #1

Oooooh! Is it going to stop being "terrorists!" and become "TRAITORS!"? sibelian Jun 2013 #5

"Point of order, Mr. Chairman! Are you now, or have you ever been....!?" villager Jun 2013 #67

Right, all DU is calling Snowden a member of the Communist Party emulatorloo Jun 2013 #97

It doesn't take "all of DU" kiva Jun 2013 #133

Got threads where he is called a Communist Party member? emulatorloo Jun 2013 #145

I sort of think that when one brings China into the conversation, kiva Jun 2013 #149

I guess I don't make that assumption. Snowden strikes me as a libertarian emulatorloo Jun 2013 #157

I didn't think that. In this country, Communism is fairly passe as a cause. Hekate Jun 2013 #266

I agree, but Communism is still a hot button for many people. kiva Jun 2013 #268

i'm more inclined to think that Abukhatar Jun 2013 #295

I was wondering the same thing meow2u3 Jun 2013 #52

Most that don't want to be nineteen50 Jun 2013 #96

What is the evidence? marions ghost Jun 2013 #123

The OP is mischaracterizing the issue Maedhros Jun 2013 #156

EXACTLY! DissidentVoice Jun 2013 #164

Many here have been practically anointing him. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #176

That's on them. Maedhros Jun 2013 #217

Snowden was the one who made it about Snowden when he decided not to be anonymous. pnwmom Jun 2013 #223

I heard the Pope is in route to Hong Kong to kiss his hand davidpdx Jun 2013 #328

Hell yes..... paleotn Jun 2013 #185

what issue? Abukhatar Jun 2013 #239

Nice try at misdirection. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #277

you are getting by screwed by corporations everyday... Abukhatar Jun 2013 #282

So since corporations screw us it's OK for the government to do it too? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #306

.... sibelian Jun 2013 #336

It's nothing compared to the blood on the hands of those who lied America into war. Octafish Jun 2013 #2

+1. nt SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #6

people who sell their country's secrets to foreign govenrments are always held in special contempt arely staircase Jun 2013 #7

Snowden sold info? grasswire Jun 2013 #37

trading it for protection=selling arely staircase Jun 2013 #43

ah, creative speculation nt grasswire Jun 2013 #57

nope, just facts arely staircase Jun 2013 #64

you have yet to provide any evidence of your claims nt grasswire Jun 2013 #68

yes i have arely staircase Jun 2013 #81

Neither creative nor speculation. -nt gcomeau Jun 2013 #66

But what 'secrets' did he give China. pangaia Jun 2013 #138

how we are hacking them arely staircase Jun 2013 #144

My understanding pangaia Jun 2013 #155

but don't forget he said we went after their routers azurnoir Jun 2013 #165

common sense I wondered how long before the rug was pulled Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #311

But some old information is far more significant than other old information eridani Jun 2013 #338

slightly more popular than drone murderers as well? nt msongs Jun 2013 #99

much less. nt arely staircase Jun 2013 #151

Yep! nineteen50 Jun 2013 #110

He sold NOTHING. Th1onein Jun 2013 #260

he sold his country's secrets to a foreign (totalitarian) government for sactuary arely staircase Jun 2013 #262

That's a spin. Th1onein Jun 2013 #327

Which is pretty damned chickenshit compared to the one percenters who packed up eridani Jun 2013 #339

of course two wrongs don't mak a right. arely staircase Jun 2013 #345

he is selling it in front of our eyes arely staircase Jun 2013 #354

Unless those secrets are corporate, then it's called capitalism and all is forgiven Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #353

None of that justifies selling us out to the Chinese treestar Jun 2013 #127

Glenn Greenwald is Chinese? I never knew that. Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #261

nope arely staircase Jun 2013 #267

Huh? treestar Jun 2013 #283

What? Warren Stupidity Jun 2013 #320

exactly arely staircase Jun 2013 #264

And pretty damned chickenshit compared to giving large chunks of our manufacturing capacity eridani Jun 2013 #340

That may be a problem but it's nothing to giving our treestar Jun 2013 #342

Destruction of our industrial base = trivial eridani Jun 2013 #347

That's delusional treestar Jun 2013 #349

It seems to be mainly valuable for enabling the 1% to fuck everyone else over eridani Jun 2013 #350

Yes... MissDeeds Jun 2013 #194

Yes, it's nothing compared to that--but two wrongs don't make a right... Moonwalk Jun 2013 #203

Or that stylish armband they're all wearing now kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #222

This one got to me... Octafish Jun 2013 #315

and that is what is troubling, why didn't he go to a Congress Person. He could have gone to Rand still_one Jun 2013 #3

Ron Wyden asked the DNI point blank if the Govt was collecting all this data and the man lied! dkf Jun 2013 #15

The thing is it was public knowledge that Wyden was looking in to this davidpdx Jun 2013 #329

Doesn't matter because Snowden realized Wyden couldn't do anything anyway. dkf Jun 2013 #331

Why couldn't Wyden have done something? davidpdx Jun 2013 #333

Wyden asked Clapper point blank if they were collecting any data on millions of Americans dkf Jun 2013 #334

That didn't answer the question I asked davidpdx Jun 2013 #346

Going to Rand or Bernie would have still violated his clearance davidn3600 Jun 2013 #20

Wrong. jeff47 Jun 2013 #59

First Amendment Sgent Jun 2013 #80

First amendment doesn't apply. jeff47 Jun 2013 #126

Actually he would have been better off going to Wyden, since he was one of the ones davidpdx Jun 2013 #330

Isn't he a Rand Paul supporter? I'm thinking he has worked with Paul on this. AlinPA Jun 2013 #41

Ron, not Rand oberliner Jun 2013 #169

Yep. I mixed up Rand with Ron when I read Ron Paul's calling Snowden a hero; Rand then said AlinPA Jun 2013 #172

remember FBI whistleblower sibel edmonds, went through official channels, gagged in 2004 Monkie Jun 2013 #44

Damn... Weird karma that I replied to this post at the same time you did. Just submitted later... cascadiance Jun 2013 #56

great minds roll in the same gutter? n/t Monkie Jun 2013 #72

The point is, the government/nsa acted under the law as it stands. Snowden is not a whistleblower Windy Jun 2013 #255

Ask Sibel Edmonds why this DOES NOT WORK! "State Secrets Privilege" ran her life! cascadiance Jun 2013 #47

Something not working on one occasion treestar Jun 2013 #130

Sorry, it wasn't just "one occasion"... She's just the most visible of MANY such cases... cascadiance Jun 2013 #147

Alan Grayson would have timdog44 Jun 2013 #112

Exactly.. that would have accomplished the same thing.. DCBob Jun 2013 #116

Thomas Drake wrote today, Snowden has seen what happens to other whistleblowers lately. Hissyspit Jun 2013 #254

Whistleblower Protection Act DCBob Jun 2013 #265

"National Whistleblowers Center issued a statement on Re-Introduction of Whistleblower Protection Hissyspit Jun 2013 #269

"The WPEA makes federal whistleblower rights stronger than at any time in history." DCBob Jun 2013 #271

How does one go about getting a meeting with Rand Paul... Hippo_Tron Jun 2013 #285

Handing this information over to the Chinese puts this whole thing on another level. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #4

"less and less"??? Seriously? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #38

I was trying over the past few days to wait and see what happened. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #45

Hyperventilate much? truebluegreen Jun 2013 #278

why did I strike a nerve? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #281

As if. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #305

Oh I one of the ones that didn't make Snowden a hero....sounds silly VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #321

Is English your mother tongue? Just asking. truebluegreen Jun 2013 #324

You've been on the "Interwebs" how long? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #325

No we don't. You need to give it a rest. reformist2 Jun 2013 #8

Yeah, you do. gcomeau Jun 2013 #69

Wait-- so did we all know about this program already, or is he a terrible traitor for revealing Marr Jun 2013 #73

I wish you would pay attention before typing. gcomeau Jun 2013 #76

Ah well I'm glad this whole NSA thing can be put to rest now. L0oniX Jun 2013 #9

The NSA thing is important, and it's good to know.... OKNancy Jun 2013 #19

All what info? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #40

Do we care that it was Toto that pulled the curtains aside ozone_man Jun 2013 #307

After this new bit of info re "hero" HappyMe Jun 2013 #31

LOL: "Hong Kong Eddie" SunSeeker Jun 2013 #146

The real story that everyone missed... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #49

Snowden was the IT guy. jeff47 Jun 2013 #61

No Jeff you STILL missed it... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #88

I'm afraid not. jeff47 Jun 2013 #100

Not for NSA dude....thats just wrong! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #107

Do we need to hire federal workers to be janitors at the NSA? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #113

Now you have demoted him to just a janitor? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #159

We can't have more federal employees because the Investor Class isn't whathehell Jun 2013 #221

Whelp....we are seeing the end result of that theory... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #224

Yep...The country's going to hell due to the obscene greed of the One Percent & their lackeys. n/t whathehell Jun 2013 #231

No, just asking how far you think it should go. jeff47 Jun 2013 #287

What were they before they were outsourced to the Private Contractors? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #288

Before they were heavily using contractors, technology moved slower. jeff47 Jun 2013 #289

for the Janitors? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #291

That sounds eerily similar to the argument given for why we need VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #292

Only if you think I'm saying we must retain the status quo. jeff47 Jun 2013 #293

Do you think that I believe that they can all go away POOF in one fell swoop... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #294

Even search through the data is handled by contractors HipChick Jun 2013 #249

I had a little cubbyhole in my computer room... jmowreader Jun 2013 #356

As I said a bit ago, I'm waiting to see what transpires. MineralMan Jun 2013 #10

I'm with you MineralMan. Marie Marie Jun 2013 #105

Yes, that's where I've been. longship Jun 2013 #119

They have Snow on their faces flamingdem Jun 2013 #11

this was orchestrated to undermine Obama and his trip to China. Whisp Jun 2013 #12

Looking forward to Glen being exposed flamingdem Jun 2013 #14

No, no, no!!! Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #121

there is a coincidence Whisp Jun 2013 #129

I thought the meeting was in China also. Summer Hathaway Jun 2013 #152

I agree with Cali-Democrat warrior1 Jun 2013 #13

And I agree with you agreeing with Cali-Democrat madokie Jun 2013 #51

You know it's possible to be concerned about civil liberties without BainsBane Jun 2013 #16

+1 Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #23

YUP Skittles Jun 2013 #180

I agree with you on the first part davidpdx Jun 2013 #332

I agree. This is treason, Snowden is a traitor and should be dealt with as such. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #17

If you have proof that he delivered Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #18

Thank you for pointing that out -- Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2013 #39

That is what he says. Do you trust him? I have a hard time believing a word he says. hrmjustin Jun 2013 #101

You wanted proof....you got it VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #42

Does his own words count? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #54

Naming specific targets is DETAILED information. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #131

exactly frylock Jun 2013 #143

LOL Marrah_G Jun 2013 #21

+1. graham4anything Jun 2013 #22

Amazing... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #24

He should be droned. The Link Jun 2013 #25

You're sick and don't belong on a democrat focused board. Due process is what we adhere to here. Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #33

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #35

err...no we dont galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #55

If I can't emphatically state that democrats are for due process and that they oppose the death Ed Suspicious Jun 2013 #65

I'm right there with you but the proof is in the pudding. Nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #86

Can you be specific? jberryhill Jun 2013 #109

As I stated on another thread... zeeland Jun 2013 #102

There are Blue Dogs in this party that will disagree with you VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #209

Like Obama? alarimer Jun 2013 #243

SHHHHHH. Shush, you. sibelian Jun 2013 #297

that's rather un-American grasswire Jun 2013 #71

The sarcasm tag is useful. Laelth Jun 2013 #114

Unacceptable. enlightenment Jun 2013 #263

Can't wait to hear what fellow hero Greenwald has to say. ucrdem Jun 2013 #26

oh no I don't want egg on my face Enrique Jun 2013 #27

He "smeared" himself VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #46

Well that's just ironic. JoeyT Jun 2013 #84

Project much? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #85

Given that I wasn't part of his fan club, not especially. JoeyT Jun 2013 #91

Oh like you Blend! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #94

By all means, find a post where I called him a hero. JoeyT Jun 2013 #98

I bet those Canadians keep boxes in their gargages, kiva Jun 2013 #137

Too true Aerows Jun 2013 #272

Four for sure. Two especially. Sognefjord Jun 2013 #323

HNK! Scuse me?! sibelian Jun 2013 #337

Snowden's Smearing himself. Cha Jun 2013 #87

... with creosote. sibelian Jun 2013 #344

RE: "..unless the program is actually criminal." Make7 Jun 2013 #28

So then Dr Tiller's killer was justified because VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #58

+1000 leftynyc Jun 2013 #79

Well, I'm feeling REALLY eggy. And kind of TREACHEROUS. sibelian Jun 2013 #29

Has any DU'er actually said anything like that to you emulatorloo Jun 2013 #122

Yes, I was being rhetorical. sibelian Jun 2013 #299

I really share your frustration. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #303

Link ??? WillyT Jun 2013 #30

here you go! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #89

I, personally, don't give a flying fuck. We've been spying and hacking for decades and I am sure the Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #32

but NOW they have seen documents detailing WHAT we did.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #92

Whatever. We know they are doing the same to us. It's the how that matters. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #258

Whatever indeed VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #270

It's his revelations about the NSA spying on the people, not Snowden, that concerns me. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #34

Fear works Andy823 Jun 2013 #36

Your call for caution and calm reflection is timely. Laelth Jun 2013 #125

Well... Andy823 Jun 2013 #141

Fair enough. Laelth Jun 2013 #153

Yes it is speculation Andy823 Jun 2013 #212

I don't belong to any fan club, but I sure do appreciate the conversation that Autumn Jun 2013 #48

oh yes grasswire Jun 2013 #74

Aha! He works for Walmart! Lint Head Jun 2013 #50

This does not invalidate what he alsame Jun 2013 #53

Espionage is a secondary issue? Chan790 Jun 2013 #290

It is possible to support alsame Jun 2013 #302

i know this is the US, but revealing to a newspaper is not the same as revealing to a government? Monkie Jun 2013 #60

When you reveal it with the intent of them publicizing it... gcomeau Jun 2013 #75

hello mr capslock, the US broke EU law and international law Monkie Jun 2013 #104

Umm... gcomeau Jun 2013 #106

Ah, the irony. jeff47 Jun 2013 #135

i bet microsoft appreciated the irony of paying 1.9 billion dollars in fines for breaking EU law Monkie Jun 2013 #167

You really should take a moment to think about your argument. jeff47 Jun 2013 #286

i took a moment to think, and think you misunderstand Monkie Jun 2013 #318

well said sir Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #312

Beg to differ. cuncator Jun 2013 #160

I, too, am a devotee of evidence and the rule of law. grasswire Jun 2013 #77

That's pretty much what Henry Pate said to John Brown after the battle of Black Jack LanternWaste Jun 2013 #62

Tssk... ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #63

Boo. Hiss. No need for "I told you so's". randome Jun 2013 #70

I wonder if he is the only bad apple in the 500,000 private contractor employees.... kentuck Jun 2013 #78

I am not sure I buy Snowden's claims of access 100 percent. Can he really wiretap Obama? emulatorloo Jun 2013 #140

Secret and Top Secret clearance does not give you Carte Blanche HipChick Jun 2013 #171

He had enough to make a lot of people nervous. kentuck Jun 2013 #183

That's what he claims. I am not sure his claims are 100 per cent accurate. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #216

Yeah...I am not one for jumping on bandwagons until more information comes out HipChick Jun 2013 #226

Nope...I don't believe what he is claiming HipChick Jun 2013 #225

He lied about govt phone surveillance of US citizens, too. DevonRex Jun 2013 #82

to be fair a lot of them didn't know Hong Kong was part of China JI7 Jun 2013 #83

Character and messenger assassination nineteen50 Jun 2013 #90

Just for you, Cali. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #93

You remind me of those spambots LittleBlue Jun 2013 #95

+1 burnodo Jun 2013 #103

They have a quota of Hate Points to distribute daily. Sognefjord Jun 2013 #111

And the spying fan club has a lot of mud on their hands. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #108

i'm in the 4th amendment fan club.. frylock Jun 2013 #115

+1 Well said. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #132

Respectfully, I have no egg on my face Cali_Democrat....... Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #117

good post swede atlanta locks Jun 2013 #161

Where is your evidence that he has released secrets marions ghost Jun 2013 #118

No, they don't. woo me with science Jun 2013 #120

Cali-Democrat. timdog44 Jun 2013 #124

Agreed. Nobody elected all those uppity abolitionists either. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #187

Indeed! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #213

This isn't about Snowden. It is about you and me and everyone who is KurtNYC Jun 2013 #128

It is about us, and I want my government back from the snakes who pull this crap every week. ucrdem Jun 2013 #134

I don't trust that little weasel and think he should be tried for treason. Who is bankrolling him appleannie1 Jun 2013 #136

what does it take warrprayer Jun 2013 #139

president jeb bush having these same powers.. frylock Jun 2013 #170

Haven't you been listening? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #177

LOL n/t warrprayer Jun 2013 #197

sensible woodchucks warrprayer Jun 2013 #195

What if he decided to talk to al Qaeda or the Aryan Nations, instead of Glenn Greenwald? baldguy Jun 2013 #142

And your point is? Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #154

The point is that there shouldn't be one guy deciding who know our secrets. baldguy Jun 2013 #300

It's called a bow shot Android3.14 Jun 2013 #148

Many here are often knee-jerkers when it comes to issues like this. DCBob Jun 2013 #150

5 words Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #158

I think the Clapper fan club has more, actually MNBrewer Jun 2013 #162

No egg on my face. RILib Jun 2013 #163

Did he do it? lame54 Jun 2013 #166

Apparently there was no congressional approval Politicalboi Jun 2013 #168

Snowden is misguided mehrrh Jun 2013 #173

Damn Skippy! nt MrScorpio Jun 2013 #174

DOUBLE PLUS GOOD POST! Dr Fate Jun 2013 #175

LOL, if he is so crazy why is the Administration so upset about this? You are freaking clueless! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #178

Also, nice hit and run away post. Classy! n-t Logical Jun 2013 #179

And he's the only one we know of because he seems to think he's a man with principles Snake Plissken Jun 2013 #181

I see a few noses are out of joint here. Great post, Cali_Democrat. lamp_shade Jun 2013 #182

Do you mind if I use that argument in another thread? Dr Fate Jun 2013 #190

Not at all. lamp_shade Jun 2013 #196

Thanks. What was it? Dr Fate Jun 2013 #200

God I Needed A Belly Laugh Today! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #220

unfortunately without the proper tag LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #232

Eggs benedict. ucrdem Jun 2013 #184

Yup. Anyone who gets that cosy with China is a traitor by definition. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #192

Nothing against China, ucrdem Jun 2013 #201

Exactly. Who else is going to make my clothes and everything else I own? Dr Fate Jun 2013 #202

What are you trying to say? ucrdem Jun 2013 #206

That Snowden's Chinese dealings & connections proves he is a traitor. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #210

Okay I think I follow you. ucrdem Jun 2013 #227

What effect does his bio have on LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #234

Very little, why? ucrdem Jun 2013 #235

Because in the previous post you seem to imply his bio has some sort of impact LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #238

No, just on his credibility, or more specificallly ucrdem Jun 2013 #241

I'd defend the NSA and US/China business dealings even if this came out under Bush. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #236

Doubtful. But Bush is out of office and the sun is shining. ucrdem Jun 2013 #240

True. A little "sunshine" on an email or two never hurt no one. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #248

Strut on brother! ucrdem Jun 2013 #250

LOL! I wish I had come up with that. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #253

You're doing just fine on your own. ucrdem Jun 2013 #256

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jun 2013 #245

OT, but I just wanted to say hello. I haven't seen you in a long time, and I'm happy you're here. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #257

Good to hear from you! Dr Fate Jun 2013 #274

He Did Us All Favor - I Thank Him cantbeserious Jun 2013 #186

Completely agree... cynatnite Jun 2013 #188

hong kong DonCoquixote Jun 2013 #189

Everything on my desk was made there. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #193

all this secret stuff is too secret we should know polynomial Jun 2013 #191

Egg My Ass! BillyRibs Jun 2013 #198

lol, you are a toady,. Civilization2 Jun 2013 #199

I don't care at all what he did or didn't do or what his motivations are TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #204

"that should be resolved through legislation" ? Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #205

If only the Underground Railroaders had thought that way. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #214

When it's the NSA breaking the law Abq_Sarah Jun 2013 #242

How anyone can defend the NSA is beyond me damnedifIknow Jun 2013 #207

Us centrists would be defending the NSA even if all this came out under Bush. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #228

Missed the part of the OP that "defended" the NSA emulatorloo Jun 2013 #237

You would stand with me in attacking Snowden if this came out under Bush. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #244

Loving your Strawman Centrist act. Very clever! emulatorloo Jun 2013 #247

How dare you question my centrist values. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #251

LOL emulatorloo Jun 2013 #259

Or defending Obama. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #273

Have fun brother. emulatorloo Jun 2013 #313

Can't be bothered with pesky details. Cha Jun 2013 #298

I certainly do not hate Obama damnedifIknow Jun 2013 #246

I have as much contempt for Snowden as I do for Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, et al. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #208

I think I saw timdog44 Jun 2013 #219

"Shilling" is exactly right. He timed this perfectly, didn't he? Break news & go on book tour. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #229

I think his book timdog44 Jun 2013 #233

And where does that pressure to change the law begin? With us. liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #211

Binary thinking A Little Weird Jun 2013 #215

Why look! It's the civil liberty-hating Julian Assange hate club. Sorry about your pony lol n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #218

Why look! It's the government-hating Ron Paul Revolution fan club. Sorry about your loss lol n/t Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #314

Frightening posts like this make me long for the unrec option... joeybee12 Jun 2013 #230

what i find interesting and frightening is.... madrchsod Jun 2013 #280

^^ pecwae Jun 2013 #296

"Law changes" made by bought-and-paid-for politicians Canuckistanian Jun 2013 #252

We know Snowjob's Chinese friends are evil. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #275

Is it possible? kentuck Jun 2013 #276

i would say it is possible.... madrchsod Jun 2013 #279

Bwahahaha! Shill. Daemonaquila Jun 2013 #284

If it wasn't obvious hypocrisy I would engage them on the issue Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #304

I really have not read that much avebury Jun 2013 #301

LAME, LAMER, and LAMEST. bvar22 Jun 2013 #308

anti snowden quislings think we give a crap what they think Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #309

actually Snowden may be the biggest hero of our lifetime backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #310

+1 Octafish Jun 2013 #316

This sounds like talking points from newsmax. limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #317

Hit pieces are so easily spotted why do people still try? Corruption Inc Jun 2013 #319

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #322

And we wonder Phlem Jun 2013 #326

The Mysterious Mr Snowden ucrdem Jun 2013 #335

He is now officially a traitor UCmeNdc Jun 2013 #341

He is a hero Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #343

Damn right, he's a traitor! B Calm Jun 2013 #348

Read this piece: All the Infrastructure a Tyrant Would Need dkf Jun 2013 #351

When we give them our jobs and technology, treason becomes capitalism$$ Eddie Haskell Jun 2013 #352

Here's a person who does not understand what his Code of Ethics contains ir either he just does not Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #355