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JDPriestly

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44. It also chilled our exercise of our constitutional rights.

Wed Jun 12, 2013, 07:31 PM

Jun 2013

The trade-off doesn't sell me, not at all.

We Americans are getting the bad end of the deal.

I really like freedom of the press. I really do. I also like freedom of speech and of association and the right to counsel and a fair trial.

There are other ways to prevent and stop terrorism. How about adopting a stricter visa system?

How about refusing US air space to airlines that don't vet their passengers before allowing them on planes that could come to the US?

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And here it is: NSA chief: Surveillance helped stop "dozens" of threats [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

How many were FBI plots? Ichingcarpenter Jun 2013 #1

Exactly. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #11

Here ya go! reusrename Jun 2013 #76

It's like picking up the phone and the person you were gonna call is already on the line. Octafish Jun 2013 #35

Why would you assume it never happened? treestar Jun 2013 #46

in 1 year, 508 terror prosecutions, nearly half involved paid informants Monkie Jun 2013 #52

Apparently not enough for those who need stories to justify the spying on all Americans AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #58

Yeah, and 9/11 was a CIA plot. pnwmom Jun 2013 #69

No, that was allowed by the White House. DCKit Jun 2013 #74

Here's some o' them terra-ists that got arrested! reusrename Jun 2013 #75

You called it Cali! Squinch Jun 2013 #2

Yeah, kind of like the Boston bombing Autumn Jun 2013 #3

You don't seem to realize how utterly un-objective you've become treestar Jun 2013 #4

There would have been plots disrupted without the NSA ...Bush ignored pre 911 info. L0oniX Jun 2013 #10

Maybe but I'm not really willing to assume treestar Jun 2013 #47

You don't seem to realize that those in a position of power or authority tech3149 Jun 2013 #15

ALWAYS? Are you serious? So you trust no one? That sucks. randome Jun 2013 #17

Not those in power. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #22

they don't have to lie to maintain their positions when they've existed so long treestar Jun 2013 #49

These intel officials have been caught lying countless times before LittleBlue Jun 2013 #20

All of them all the time? treestar Jun 2013 #50

If someone will get up and lie to Congress Aerows Jun 2013 #54

Whats a little perjury when billions of dollars in government contracts ... HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #57

You're talking about a blatant violation of the 4th Amendment. Marr Jun 2013 #61

Ballancing the interests? Savannahmann Jun 2013 #23

Common defense is security treestar Jun 2013 #53

Because this sounds so believable: East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #40

I think it is possible though treestar Jun 2013 #55

I don't think it's all useless. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #73

The point is it's a self-serving claim with no means outside verification JHB Jun 2013 #78

IMPORTANT: I would rather that these alleged plots had not been disrupted, Pale Blue Dot Jun 2013 #42

Objectivity is nonsense. None of us objective cali Jun 2013 #51

How unobjective Cali has become? Le Taz Hot Jun 2013 #71

I know. All those facts seem to be getting in the way of other opinions. SlimJimmy Jun 2013 #77

Sounds like ubiquitous, nebulous, specious, non-specific ya-da, dada, dada indepat Jun 2013 #5

A boast about pride always invokes a wait for the downfall. L0oniX Jun 2013 #6

How does one "involk" something? sibelian Jun 2013 #8

I think that means it is done from inside the car MindPilot Jun 2013 #16

Thar she blows.... sibelian Jun 2013 #7

maybe they are reading your posts cali..you gave them 1 wk..its less than 24 hrs xiamiam Jun 2013 #9

Like Old Faithful! woo me with science Jun 2013 #12

Hmmm. This guy should enlist a certain word salad poster here to write his "answers". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #13

+111!11! MindPilot Jun 2013 #19

...... cali Jun 2013 #48

! hootinholler Jun 2013 #80

I wonder if he counts catching Gov Eliot Spitzer with his pants down rhett o rick Jun 2013 #14

This was testimony, not an 'announcement' to throw you off the track, cali. randome Jun 2013 #18

Testimony??!!!! bvar22 Jun 2013 #25

No, I'd rather that he had told the truth. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #28

At what point timdog44 Jun 2013 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author timdog44 Jun 2013 #39

My response to that statement. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #21

Easy statement to make when you classify the Occupy Movement as a threat Catherina Jun 2013 #24

Even those we know we nineteen50 Jun 2013 #30

What about Quakers? Why did you leave out Quakers who were considered a threat in the 60's? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #59

Well, Nixon WAS a Quaker.... ;-) WinkyDink Jun 2013 #64

Not a very good one. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #66

Same reason I left off the Black Muslims lol. I see them as etc if not very active now Catherina Jun 2013 #67

Apparently, a real list would include us all. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #68

No kidding Catherina Jun 2013 #72

TRUST US blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #26

You called it. n/t Skip Intro Jun 2013 #27

LOL !!! - Perfect !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #29

Bullshit... Swede Atlanta Jun 2013 #31

what did Greenwald say? warrprayer Jun 2013 #32

I will believe this when my senator (Wyden) tells us that he has seen.. grasswire Jun 2013 #33

NSA snooping has foiled multiple terror plots: Feinstein ProSense Jun 2013 #34

It also chilled our exercise of our constitutional rights. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #44

Oh, well in that case... Not Sure Jun 2013 #36

How Many FBI Co-interl Pro!? BillyRibs Jun 2013 #38

You want to stop plots against the US then... Fearless Jun 2013 #41

Where's the profit in that? n/t AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #60

The profit for mankind is inexorable Fearless Jun 2013 #63

And it also chilled all our rights. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #43

Actually it's trillions, but it's all sekret, so we'll never know. DCKit Jun 2013 #45

Uh huh . . . leveymg Jun 2013 #56

Dozens? Why not scores?! Thousands! Brazilians! WinkyDink Jun 2013 #62

Just like surveillance discovered the WMD in Iraq and the 2nd Tonkin Gulf incident. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #65

Here's another *terrorist* threat joint intel is working to stop Catherina Jun 2013 #70

The public is supposed to take his word on that, and our members of Congress aren't permitted Nimajneb Nilknarf Jun 2013 #79