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dkf

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93. It's moot...I don't have kids.

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 09:37 AM

Jun 2013

But if the choice was to save my fellow citizens or save myself, isn't that what we expect of all police or military?

I would hope I was brave enough to do what is right for the greater good. I'm not sure I am that selfless though, but I ought to be.

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I Think Obama Doesn't Want A 911 On His Watch... [View all] Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 OP

Better 911 than living in an authoritarian state. dkf Jun 2013 #1

+1 Llewlladdwr Jun 2013 #2

I'm Surprised at how many "REgressives" Wants...... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #11

I will always root for tyranny to fail. Llewlladdwr Jun 2013 #41

+100! im1013 Jun 2013 #77

3000 Americans Dead?........ Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #8

In 2011 32,367 Americans died in car crashes. Do you advocate the end of the automobile? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #9

I'm guessing you're against gun control too then. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #19

Why would you think that? Can't you read? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #24

Wow, so many strawmen in that argument it may be a fire hazard. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #29

You come at me with accusations based on nothing and you call strawman? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #36

I didn't 'come at you' with accusations. I wrote 'assuming' based on the JaneyVee Jun 2013 #38

I don't know what right wingers say, that's your trip and your projection Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #50

I see the mix-up here, I forgot a question mark at the end of my sentence. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #91

good grief.. Republican logic. DCBob Jun 2013 #85

People die to fight off oppressive authoritarian states. dkf Jun 2013 #10

In What way does this compare to killing 3000 americans ? Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #27

People die fighting for them too Progressive dog Jun 2013 #42

Yes we are pretty far from being authoritarian and we need to keep it that way. dkf Jun 2013 #48

America was created to ward off an authoritarian state. Live and Learn Jun 2013 #60

3000 Americans dead versus the violation of the Constitution. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #63

Between 30,000 and 40,000 are killed by guns malaise Jun 2013 #88

America is run by Majority. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #26

then you won't have a problem the next time a majority of americans vote a republian into the WH.. frylock Jun 2013 #39

I can work to stop a Repuke from getting in. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2013 #45

It would not surprise me if another Bush became president. Or if a person with many Repub values AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #72

When it comes to our Constitutional rights, the majority should not win. Laelth Jun 2013 #83

Had a lot of Republican Presidents. Progressive dog Jun 2013 #52

I'd take a look at the word 'acceptable' before getting too excited about that Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #53

And another poll this week said exactly the opposite. SO WHAT? woo me with science Jun 2013 #65

A-fucking-men! Time to live like Americans instead of cowards. n/t backscatter712 Jun 2013 #28

+1,000,000!!! im1013 Jun 2013 #78

How does it? treestar Jun 2013 #49

Agree 100% n/t ChazII Jun 2013 #56

It's not either/or -- one extreme or the other. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #66

k&r avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author avaistheone1 Jun 2013 #76

Wow, unbelievable. Words fail me. but I will try anyhow...NO NO NO NO NO NO NO new 9-11 graham4anything Jun 2013 #79

huh?? DCBob Jun 2013 #86

Would you make that trade-off with the life of your child? One of the 99 Jun 2013 #92

It's moot...I don't have kids. dkf Jun 2013 #93

That explains a lot. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #94

If I had kids I would be more willing to sacrifice myself so they don't have to live like that. dkf Jun 2013 #99

But would you sacrifice them? nt One of the 99 Jun 2013 #100

You ever drive your kid to baseball practice on public roads? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #108

Is there a point? One of the 99 Jun 2013 #114

By participating in the public road system Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #119

Total nonsense. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #123

How is it not comparable? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #125

Because it is not. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #128

Please, explain like I'm five. nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #129

No. I'm not here to explain things to you. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #130

Let's unring this bell. I think we are speaking past each other. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #134

It's still a strawman argument. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #137

One is equally dead either way. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #139

That's not the point One of the 99 Jun 2013 #140

I'm sorry, I don't. :/ nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #141

Yes you do. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #142

Brother, I wish I did understand what you're thinking. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #143

Not hard to understand. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #144

Given recent events, I think crazy people with AR-15s are more of a threat to kids than terrorism. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #110

Very true. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #115

Except a great deal of this crap has been done under the auspices of the Patriot Act. Warren DeMontague Jun 2013 #117

You have a good point. One of the 99 Jun 2013 #122

Ding Ding Ding Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #97

If another 9-11 happens thucythucy Jun 2013 #102

Question leftynyc Jun 2013 #138

Well of course not MNBrewer Jun 2013 #3

Maybe FDR isn't the best example. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #4

I thought about that as I typed his name MNBrewer Jun 2013 #5

It is our history, part of the WW2 era civil liberties story is the limited duration Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #18

We also had an Institute of Propaganda Analysis. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #73

No, but it was notably both reprehensible and perfectly legal. Robb Jun 2013 #20

I disagree. Raine1967 Jun 2013 #43

It was done for economic reasons. OnyxCollie Jun 2013 #71

There was quite a vigorous (and sometimes illegal) thucythucy Jun 2013 #103

he doesn't want an emergency number on his watch? niyad Jun 2013 #6

So he flew the NSA into the Constitution. kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #7

For the record, he did not start it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #14

For the record he became President and CIC on Jan. 20, 2009. former9thward Jun 2013 #37

That would be authoritarianism treestar Jun 2013 #46

The President is not compelled to run these programs, the law allows for them. TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #74

When does the war with North Korea start? Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #98

He'd be a twisted fuck indeed if he wanted one, don't you think? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #12

LOL I was thinking "How profound" when I read the OP. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2013 #21

they have always snooped for years Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #13

Take my word on this, nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #15

If you lived under McCarthy Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #17

Yeah, but that was not done in secret nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #22

ther was a lot done in secret in those days Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #32

Yes, but I am telling you, this is on steroids. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #34

It's not that people want Obama to fail... truth2power Jun 2013 #16

Bush got re-elected with one on his watch? kentuck Jun 2013 #23

Exactly. If we have another 911, he would have to spy on us even more. Dr Fate Jun 2013 #25

He has to spy on everyone because if he didn't he'd have to spy on everyone even more? Electric Monk Jun 2013 #33

Excuse me while I go vomit. Gravitycollapse Jun 2013 #30

This spying is about corporate $$$$$ and power, not terrorism. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #31

The ends do not justify the means. Fearless Jun 2013 #35

I can respect this theory think Jun 2013 #40

a noun, a verb, and 9/11.. frylock Jun 2013 #44

Terra! Terra! woo me with science Jun 2013 #68

More accurately, Obama doesn't want to run the risk of being smeared for reining in this program BlueStreak Jun 2013 #47

Thank you for posting that, Grassy Knoll.. I know Cha Jun 2013 #51

I think there is some truth to this sentiment but ... jimlup Jun 2013 #54

Yes, this is what I feel too flamingdem Jun 2013 #55

As long as it has a "D" next to his name, I'm cool with it. But when the "R"s are in charge again neverforget Jun 2013 #57

The trouble with thinking of this only politically will be our downfall. This is our only chance. kickysnana Jun 2013 #58

It you can't get a sip from a fire hose, squandering money to build a spy Niagara Falls is wasteful. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #59

Great post. nt woo me with science Jun 2013 #69

This program violates the Constitution in my opinion. Therefore, in JDPriestly Jun 2013 #61

+100000000000000 woo me with science Jun 2013 #70

Finding the right balance of security and personal freedoms Jamaal510 Jun 2013 #62

+1. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #67

we could stop child abuse by putting digital cameras and microphones in every house in America Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #64

What would he need one for? MrSlayer Jun 2013 #80

Exactly! ForeignandDomestic Jun 2013 #81

Indeed. I suspect the President is concerned about that. Laelth Jun 2013 #82

Any and all happenings that are perceived as bad is Obama's fault madokie Jun 2013 #84

While visions of mushroom clouds danced in their heads... theHandpuppet Jun 2013 #87

Well of course.. who would. DCBob Jun 2013 #89

If you and others did Hydra Jun 2013 #104

And if you didnt.. DCBob Jun 2013 #106

And if I didn't Hydra Jun 2013 #107

President Obama is not breaking any laws.. DCBob Jun 2013 #111

Uh, yes he is Hydra Jun 2013 #112

I disagree. DCBob Jun 2013 #113

Feel free to disagree Hydra Jun 2013 #116

see below.. DCBob Jun 2013 #118

I just wasted 4 minutes of my life Hydra Jun 2013 #120

Time is a terrible thing to waste! DCBob Jun 2013 #136

He had better decide what influences our relationship with the rest of the world, then... MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #90

Yeah, because 911 was bush's fault. Autumn Jun 2013 #95

to paraphrase george carlin: datasuspect Jun 2013 #96

If Bush had simply heeded the warnings in the August 6th PDB, he may have prevented 9/11. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2013 #101

He doesn't seem to want anything on his watch, particularly. sibelian Jun 2013 #105

Good. So when a daily brief appears on his desk that says "Bin Laden to attack US with Planes" SomethingFishy Jun 2013 #109

I don't want another 9/11 burnodo Jun 2013 #121

and Bush didn't want another one.. allin99 Jun 2013 #124

but why now - only because there is big election coming up in 2014 Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #126

Yep, If you look around..... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #131

I think we should remind them of recent history Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #132

Good luck with that....... Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #135

Sean Hannity is that you again? MichiganVote Jun 2013 #127

Really?........ Grassy Knoll Jun 2013 #133