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JoePhilly

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26. Very true.

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 11:02 AM

Jun 2013

I've found around here, if you try to discuss the details, the outraged call you a sycophant in their first subject line.

And like you said, the noise blocks out all further discussion.

I keep asking why, if we live in a police state, the there were only about 1800 FISA warrants last year. I'd assume that if you had a rubber stamp court, a police state would use it WAY MORE than 1800 or so times. But asking such a question is a no no.

If you aren't running around with your hair-on-fire, you're defending spying.

And so good luck trying to have a rational discussion about how you might ensure all of the safeguards are in place to prevent abuse.

And yes, in a week or so, this outrage will pass, only to be replaced by something new.

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I don't understand this Snowden "controversy" [View all] Drale Jun 2013 OP

The Government is mad because he's given the documents that allow us to push back. dkf Jun 2013 #1

I understand why the governments mad but what I don't understand Drale Jun 2013 #2

Every popular messageboard eventually becomes a political battleground. reformist2 Jun 2013 #4

Because they reflexively defend Obama to protect him politically. dkf Jun 2013 #6

A rare moment where I completely agree with you. Quantess Jun 2013 #36

Because now the government can be sued for doing it Aerows Jun 2013 #12

Snowden made allegations without evidence then fled to Hong Kong. randome Jun 2013 #3

Its not.about.Snowden LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #5

It's about whether his claims are credible or not. randome Jun 2013 #8

Is Thomas Drake credible? LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #11

I have not paid much attention to Drake but I'll take a look now. randome Jun 2013 #13

For one thing, Drake was fighting a Republican administration. randome Jun 2013 #16

I see the problem here LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #18

The problem is you call 'storing' information the same as 'spying'. randome Jun 2013 #19

LOL LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #25

Drake was fighting warrantless wire tapping as well as other things. randome Jun 2013 #27

1000+++++ VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #60

But I agree to their terms when I use their product joeglow3 Jun 2013 #76

They don't believe they are stealing it because the Corporations believe they own that data not you! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #77

they aren't just storing it TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #75

Thank you Torch LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #81

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I stand corrected. randome Jun 2013 #38

If it's so "tiresome" then don't read anything related to the facts Cha Jun 2013 #59

He fled to Hong Kong because he's a borderline tea bagger Drale Jun 2013 #7

Yeah, I agree. randome Jun 2013 #10

I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #15

There are more unknowns than knowns after the Snowden/Greenwald 'expose'. randome Jun 2013 #21

Reminds me of trashy tabloid headlines. HappyMe Jun 2013 #23

and what he has done with these thus far unsubstantiated claims VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #64

He provided evidence and Greenwald made no such claim. The NSA did and Greenwald Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #41

Who provided evidence? Snowden? I must have missed it. randome Jun 2013 #42

Evidence published in the Guardian. The NSA documents claimed that they had direct access. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #44

The PowerPoint presentations may have been simply a marketing tool of some sort. randome Jun 2013 #49

Yes. And that is why there is a world wide man hunt for Snowden and Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #53

I updated my post with a new interpretation of the PowerPoint slides. randome Jun 2013 #55

Greenwald reported the exact words on the slides. Exact. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #57

But he didn't investigate fully, did he? randome Jun 2013 #61

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ding ding ding we have a winner VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #73

That is exactly what it looks like to me... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #72

He could have made those Powerpoint Presentations himself for all we know... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #65

You're forgetting that little court order thing. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #46

The court order that confirmed what was already established fact. randome Jun 2013 #50

Perhaps you should inform the Supreme Court of that. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #56

Doesn't matter if it was "old news". If it was classified, he broke the law. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #9

Probably because some people laud him as a hero shawn703 Jun 2013 #14

would you argue that law breakers like dr. king are not worthy of being deemed a role model? frylock Jun 2013 #34

Are you seriously comparing Dr. King to Mr. Snowden? shawn703 Jun 2013 #37

we're talking about the legality of specific activities.. frylock Jun 2013 #39

Breaking the law doesn't make one a hero shawn703 Jun 2013 #40

^^^ thank you.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #66

Food For The Corporate Media Machine... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #17

Agree. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #20

The Merits Get Covered Up By The Noise... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #24

Very true. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #26

I'm Thinking... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #30

Don't forget to offer those RFD protective bags for cell phones! randome Jun 2013 #31

What's Old Is New Again... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #32

Hallelujah! Finally some voices of reason around here! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #68

What in the world do they need 1,700 when just one covers everyone on a carrier TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #48

How do we know that's the case? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #69

It's easy to demagogue moondust Jun 2013 #22

japanese attacking pearl harbor in 1942 is news to me markiv Jun 2013 #28

Because the authoritarians don't want us to talk about Google for Tyrants. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #29

So should anyone who works for NSA just decide their oath to keep Top Secrets Top Secret....is just VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #70

Keeping mountains of secrets about just about everything is one of the symptoms of a police state. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #79

This guy broke the law....and then he ran and hid in China where he exposed what he knows to them. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #80

me neither Enrique Jun 2013 #35

I think we 'knew' about it in an abstract way, now it's like a brick in the face. Avalux Jun 2013 #43

Legally it is a really big deal. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #45

Amnesty Int vs Tapper nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #51

That is why it is a big deal. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #52

I know...submitted an article nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

Here's a good history (farther back) Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #67

Good but they should also sue Verizon VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #71

No, not really. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #74

He brought it back into the spotlight... allin99 Jun 2013 #47

Republicans with the help of the media are pushing this now with the hope of winning in 2014 Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #58

Sometimes things don't take hold... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #62

Riiiiigggght! That's why he's a wanted man now. Th1onein Jun 2013 #78