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H2O Man

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14. It's safe to say
Thu Jun 13, 2013, 12:17 PM
Jun 2013

that there are cells of cheneyites in various agencies, some from the distant past, and others installed during the Bush 2 era, that are engaged in coordinated efforts to damage President Obama. And it really makes little or no difference if his policies are relatively in line with neoconservative republicans, or not. That is what these bureaucrats, well entrenched in the bowels of DC, are programmed to do.

Some of those efforts make use of the republican puppets in both houses of Congress. And they use the corporate media, as well. Likewise, they have ties with non-American entities, some in similar positions to themselves, others in the overlapping corporate world.

That's the nature of the beast.

It's interesting to look back and identify who in Washington fought the hardest to keep the Congressional committees from getting access to information on domestic spying programs, and equally hard to keep the Congress from informing the public on the extent of those programs. The single individual most closely identified with those obstructionist efforts was none other than Donald Rumsfeld.

For years, I've posted information on the "shadow government" here on this forum. I focused a lot of my attention on it, back when DU had the outstanding series of OPs/posts known as "the Plame Threads."

Hence, while I think it is fair to hold President Obama fully responsible for what he does in office -- both good and bad -- I think it is important to keep in mind that we are, at best, being provided with an image that is merely the top of a huge iceberg. I don't interpret it the same as republicans do. It's what lies beneath the surface that threatens to sink democracy.

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Intruder in the Dust [View all] H2O Man Jun 2013 OP
Your last paragraph is very chilling. Autumn Jun 2013 #1
Thanks. H2O Man Jun 2013 #2
I take the time to read all of your posts Autumn Jun 2013 #3
Well, thank you ......- H2O Man Jun 2013 #16
LOL @ "potential eco-terrorists" label, unlike the "actual eco-terrorists" like BP et al Electric Monk Jun 2013 #4
Couldn't agree more. H2O Man Jun 2013 #5
The Security State infrastructure is self-perpetuating. scarletwoman Jun 2013 #6
Good questions. H2O Man Jun 2013 #10
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." suffragette Jun 2013 #11
Thank you! H2O Man Jun 2013 #15
Always loved the quote and found it helpful to keep trying suffragette Jun 2013 #21
k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2013 #7
here's my alternate reality endgame for this moment RainDog Jun 2013 #8
It's safe to say H2O Man Jun 2013 #14
yep that was a trip down memory lane. zeemike Jun 2013 #9
I remember the H2O Man Jun 2013 #17
... RainDog Jun 2013 #12
Very good analysis and info, waterman. ananda Jun 2013 #13
I'm actually trying H2O Man Jun 2013 #19
I think all of us who were around back then have been thinking about this. reusrename Jun 2013 #18
Great point. H2O Man Jun 2013 #20
Thanks for the tip... it's not a book, more like a tome. reusrename Jun 2013 #23
The two books H2O Man Jun 2013 #27
Beautiful historical synopsis. Thank you. Laelth Jun 2013 #22
Rachel did a segment on him last night. reusrename Jun 2013 #24
Very interesting theory. Laelth Jun 2013 #25
I'm so glad you're not named 'MoneyMan.' Octafish Jun 2013 #26
Chief Waterman used to H2O Man Jun 2013 #28
A frightening post malaise Jun 2013 #29
Thank you. H2O Man Jun 2013 #30
Great. What can we do? hootinholler Jun 2013 #31
:) nt Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #32
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