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In reply to the discussion: Caught on video: Horrifying proof that Libya's freedom fighters have turned into brutal torturers [View all]joshcryer
(62,536 posts)67. Obama has always been pro-intervention, he was against unilaterally using power...
...without congressional approval. After a few months in office with power, of course, that changes.
But his debate with McCain:
OBAMA: And so I do believe that we have to consider it as part of our interests, our national interests, in intervening where possible.
But understand that there's a lot of cruelty around the world. We're not going to be able to be everywhere all the time. That's why it's so important for us to be able to work in concert with our allies.
Let's take the example of Darfur just for a moment. Right now there's a peacekeeping force that has been set up and we have African Union troops in Darfur to stop a genocide that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
We could be providing logistical support, setting up a no-fly zone at relatively little cost to us, but we can only do it if we can help mobilize the international community and lead. And that's what I intend to do when I'm president.
But understand that there's a lot of cruelty around the world. We're not going to be able to be everywhere all the time. That's why it's so important for us to be able to work in concert with our allies.
Let's take the example of Darfur just for a moment. Right now there's a peacekeeping force that has been set up and we have African Union troops in Darfur to stop a genocide that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
We could be providing logistical support, setting up a no-fly zone at relatively little cost to us, but we can only do it if we can help mobilize the international community and lead. And that's what I intend to do when I'm president.
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Caught on video: Horrifying proof that Libya's freedom fighters have turned into brutal torturers [View all]
David__77
Feb 2012
OP
It fixed everything we wanted fixed, the existing tax structure for oil exlporation and production.
Arctic Dave
Feb 2012
#3
You mean the tax structure that robbed all oil revenue from the Libyan people?
TheWraith
Feb 2012
#4
Do we really have to go through this again? Did you not learn your lesson last time?
Arctic Dave
Feb 2012
#75
I would have thought you would have learned your lesson last time we went around on this.
Arctic Dave
Feb 2012
#77
Obama has always been pro-intervention, he was against unilaterally using power...
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#67
And yet, that position does not suggest that he "opposed it" as you falsely claimed.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#94
I'm going to end this conversation because it is the second time you have reverted to
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#95
Her intentions are good? Don't kid yourself. Having observed pattern of her posting here -
Fool Count
Feb 2012
#102
So, actions of a few can be applied to a whole group if there's a mass insurgency or violent unrest.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#36
My chief criticism is against those who support US military intervention in other countries.
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#46
Did you know that there are some ex-freedom fighters who are protecting the Tawerga in Libya?
tabatha
Feb 2012
#2
You're still defending these people, not only after their abuses have become plain
EFerrari
Feb 2012
#39
Do you give South African whites the pass on apartheid as you did Germans vis a vis Nazism? nt
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#48
BTW, I was arrested demonstrating for divestment from the Apartheid govt. of S. Africa. nt
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#66
Yes, it is funny how some people here are unwittingly mimicking the pro-apartheid people.
tabatha
Feb 2012
#30
Militias from Benghazi and Zintan are trying to protect a refugee camp of 1,500 people
tabatha
Feb 2012
#6
Actually more judging of American people for the actions of their government would be a good thing.
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#10
The book in question, if I am not wrong, does not absolve the German people either.
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#97
Yes, any pro-Gaddafi force that took part in atrocities of their own free will are guilty.
tabatha
Feb 2012
#24
Well, we did probably pay them to sit back and whack Ghadafi and his family. Not sure why. n/t
Leopolds Ghost
Feb 2012
#13
Systematic abuse of detainees has been reported at a number of facilities, unfortunately.
EFerrari
Feb 2012
#45
It is how I judge how prepared they are to set up a good, mature political system.
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#64
1) a peoples are not represented by their fighters 2) fighters do not represent the sole source...
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#79
You're not alone, fortunately. And now it seems the rest of the world is resisting it also.
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#98