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1. Like I asked earlier this week, if they are doing this and it is for our security

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 04:43 PM

Jun 2013

Why are they not solving crimes?

All I got was a bunch of feedback that said that didn't make sense. Why not, if we are losing liberty, then there should be a payback bigger than stopping the boogie man.

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I am a little surprised that nobody else has thought of this. [View all] Savannahmann Jun 2013 OP

Like I asked earlier this week, if they are doing this and it is for our security liberal N proud Jun 2013 #1

Because they can't look at the data without a warrant. randome Jun 2013 #4

Which is what I am saying. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #9

I did not read your Jenoch Jun 2013 #53

Procedures that everyone knows about, about Data that everyone is now aware is being collected Savannahmann Jun 2013 #56

You keep repeating that they "cant look at the data without a warrant." Where did you hear that? rhett o rick Jun 2013 #12

Snowden SAYS he looked at the data without a warrant. But he's a proven liar. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #18

What is the proof? Maedhros Jun 2013 #23

Of what? That he lied. He lied about his salary and his educational background. pnwmom Jun 2013 #31

Yes - I hadn't seen it. Maedhros Jun 2013 #33

In addition to the lies about his education, which are detailed here pnwmom Jun 2013 #34

Hmmm. Maedhros Jun 2013 #49

The White House disputed many of the details of what he said. pnwmom Jun 2013 #50

Is that a "lie" Maedhros Jun 2013 #55

Betting he received a lot of overtime so Live and Learn Jun 2013 #54

So you are saying that he had a warrant? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #40

I'm saying that his claim that he could look at anyone's emails, including pnwmom Jun 2013 #41

And you are basing that on what?? nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #44

I'm basing it on the fact that he didn't provide a bit of proof of it; pnwmom Jun 2013 #46

I wish you the best. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #48

Actually, it's in the warrant that Snowden produced thucythucy Jun 2013 #30

But if you had been paying attention, Snowden isnt the only one confirming that rhett o rick Jun 2013 #42

Who else is confirming Snowden and on what points? pnwmom Jun 2013 #45

Here are a few. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #63

I have been paying attention, thank you very much. thucythucy Jun 2013 #57

I was overly snarky. I got frustrated yesterday with all those that want to put everything rhett o rick Jun 2013 #59

Thank you for the clarification thucythucy Jun 2013 #60

I agree 100 percent with you sikofit3 Jun 2013 #61

Excellent post. Thank you. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Jun 2013 #47

Here About not getting FISA warrant on Tamerlan: DevonRex Jun 2013 #32

Haven't I heard meta data, such as location, doesn't require a warrant? dkf Jun 2013 #51

Then why did the NSA request a warrant to see it? thucythucy Jun 2013 #58

You can't listen to the call or read the contents til you do dkf Jun 2013 #62

An interesting angle on the story. nt avebury Jun 2013 #2

In general, anything the NSA collects as part of its national security geek tragedy Jun 2013 #3

The telephone company had already deleted the data prior to the request Savannahmann Jun 2013 #6

Supposedly it exists on the NSA servers. geek tragedy Jun 2013 #10

It was a Brinks Truck robbery Savannahmann Jun 2013 #15

if as a category NSA documents are inadmissible in court, that bites geek tragedy Jun 2013 #16

We are heading down that road. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #19

government says "he was not the target of electronic surveillance ergo geek tragedy Jun 2013 #20

But they also said Savannahmann Jun 2013 #21

Just because his cell phone is one place doesn't mean he's where It is.... bobalew Jun 2013 #5

Certainly that's the next step Savannahmann Jun 2013 #8

But with the collection of meta-data that can be fed into a computer, rhett o rick Jun 2013 #13

Police do this already riverbendviewgal Jun 2013 #7

A few things. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #11

Interesting stuff, but the OP is about defense uses of the information in court Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #26

Excellent. bvar22 Jun 2013 #14

Zing! HangOnKids Jun 2013 #25

BUT...if he had the phone and made a call and they can test his voice then its good! dkf Jun 2013 #52

I hope it isn't tied up in court too long because the NSA deletes their data after five years. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #17

Yeah, and J. Edgar Hoover purged his files every 5 years too. Fuddnik Jun 2013 #22

I believe it is the phone companies that purge their data after 5 or fewer years. SunSeeker Jun 2013 #24

The telecoms delete their meta-data after 30 to 90 days depending on which company. Tx4obama Jun 2013 #29

I know for certain AT&T here in Cali keeps it for at least 4 years. Not sure about elsewhere.nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #35

Are you talking about the actual call conection meta- data OR 'billing info' regarding your bill? Tx4obama Jun 2013 #36

Individual customers' phone records, listing all their called numbers and time they called them. nt SunSeeker Jun 2013 #37

The only thing it might prove is that his cell phone wasn't near the crime MiniMe Jun 2013 #27

But proving his cell phone was not at the crime Savannahmann Jun 2013 #28

The feds always have the trump card ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #38

Looking a little weaker. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #39