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Laelth

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22. I am certain they claim that.

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 07:34 PM

Jun 2013

James Bamford, who has researched and reported on the NSA for a long time, has contacts that tell him that the NSA can get into nearly any system, as the article I cited shows.

You might want to read it when you get a chance: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/06/general-keith-alexander-cyberwar/all/

-Laelth

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Guardian "walked back the 'direct access' claim made in Greenwald�s original article" [View all] ProSense Jun 2013 OP

"whether Greenwald was deliberately vague, or whether he didn�t bother to attain more..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #1

Word Salad Aerows Jun 2013 #50

Wait Aerows Jun 2013 #61

Exactly...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #94

so the "direct access to servers" claim is bogus. What else is bogus? n/t IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2013 #2

back in the real world people use FTP to directly access servers Monkie Jun 2013 #11

back in my real world all FTP is SFTP and on a junk server IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2013 #21

of course you are right in what you say, especially about non-tech writers Monkie Jun 2013 #39

I normally lurk and don't post often, but in this case the early sensationalizing (on many sides) IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2013 #85

Take it up with the NSA because it was their claim, not the Guardian's. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #31

Interesting, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2013 #3

What a slanted story... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #4

It wasn't at all a fail. Occulus Jun 2013 #6

Want me to mail the jury results to you? pintobean Jun 2013 #15

Oh NO! Negative comments from anonymous jurors! Occulus Jun 2013 #16

Yeah, I know you don't care. pintobean Jun 2013 #23

Instead of trying to needle me with sad little emo high-schooler one-liners, how about you Occulus Jun 2013 #36

Looks like ProSense Jun 2013 #40

That, after "I could not possibly care less" pintobean Jun 2013 #42

This is known as an attempt at public shaming. Occulus Jun 2013 #44

No, this is public shaming: pintobean Jun 2013 #53

Uh-huh Occulus Jun 2013 #69

. ProSense Jun 2013 #71

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #79

rofl Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #89

Hahaha... SidDithers Jun 2013 #96

in a discussion relating to secret interpretations of laws relating to the surveillance of millions Monkie Jun 2013 #43

Here's the thing. Occulus Jun 2013 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2013 #49

it just creeped me out, i dont even get the sidetrack in the discussion Monkie Jun 2013 #83

I'm not on your jury blacklist? pintobean Jun 2013 #91

Also, please don't call me pinto pintobean Jun 2013 #98

I'll come out of the closet on this one... Agschmid Jun 2013 #97

To someone just reading through this thread... one_voice Jun 2013 #48

now you've asked for it Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #8

Links full of strawmen... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #9

That's not "tainted" that's an ugly fact. Cha Jun 2013 #20

More conjecture... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #26

Aren't you the good little greenwald soldier. Cha Jun 2013 #32

I love it when "I can't believe it's not butter" tastes like butter! Occulus Jun 2013 #37

Aren't YOU the good little.... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #45

Nothing Authoritarian about it. but, you knew that. Cha Jun 2013 #52

Both the Post and the Guardian walked back their initial reporting Number23 Jun 2013 #5

do you know anything about technology? Monkie Jun 2013 #7

Good to see that the guardian has integrity. They had me worried for a bit. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #10

It's like night and day between what they reported and the facts. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #12

More lies from ProSense. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #13

More idiotic comments from morons. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #19

If the NSA can get into the dropbox, they can get into the entire server. Laelth Jun 2013 #14

Google claims data given to NSA via secure FTP, by hand ProSense Jun 2013 #17

I am certain they claim that. Laelth Jun 2013 #22

The article ProSense Jun 2013 #28

Some of us are unconvinced by links to birdcage liners Occulus Jun 2013 #47

. ProSense Jun 2013 #51

someone needs to explain a dropbox to you. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #18

Someone needs to explain a political discussion board to you. Cha Jun 2013 #24

Someone needs to explain facts to you. Still ProSense Jun 2013 #25

Direct Access to all the data requested via remote scp/sftp bobduca Jun 2013 #54

k now i have some time to educate. galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #64

Wow, ProSense Jun 2013 #73

sloppy technology reporting, yes. lack of understanding of how "sandboxing" data works galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #80

Nope, they didn't. The original reporting was correct... from the same Guadian article. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #27

That was the ProSense Jun 2013 #30

Then take it up with the NSA. And this is the organization that we are supposed to Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #38

you want Greenwald not to be a liar so damned bad. but you're going to be disappointed. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #58

Take it up with the NSA. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #78

I think Greenwald's trip to Hong Kong was probably to ask Snowden, "What the hell?!" randome Jun 2013 #29

or to ask: Got room for me? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #35

^Post of the Day^ Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #87

but that fake AP scandal will make that harder. Whisp Jun 2013 #88

This reeks of desperation. bvar22 Jun 2013 #33

Speaking of ProSense Jun 2013 #34

direct or indirect... its a semantic difference bobduca Jun 2013 #59

Hey ProSense Jun 2013 #60

It was english, but about Computers ! bobduca Jun 2013 #62

"translate it into "obsequious toady". bvar22 Jun 2013 #65

Speaking of "desperation," there you are. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #67

"Desperate" is Making Stuff Up, and Posting it at DU. bvar22 Jun 2013 #72

Um ProSense Jun 2013 #76

Gosh, Pro. bvar22 Jun 2013 #84

Gee, ProSense Jun 2013 #86

Oh my ProSense Jun 2013 #66

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #68

No, ProSense Jun 2013 #74

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Oh, don't go away mad because your argument failed. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #77

So you're saying you don't know enough about computers to take part in this conversation muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #93

yep stupidicus Jun 2013 #63

Don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up Progressive dog Jun 2013 #41

Progressive 'dog' with a kitty? Yeah, we'll believe that. Tell us another one. randome Jun 2013 #92

well thank goodness we closed down meta Aerows Jun 2013 #55

I know that Greenwald is a bit exorcised over journalistic malfeasance these days. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #56

The Truth was just not big enough news for Glen Greenwald. So he made it be. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #57

Leaker's Ties to China Probed ProSense Jun 2013 #70

It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference how they transferred the information unless GoneFishin Jun 2013 #81

Yes, that's a significant part of the question - how much data was transferred muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #95

Glenn Greenwald's 'Epic Botch'? ProSense Jun 2013 #82

That's the Guardian and the WaPo walking back and Greenwald Cha Jun 2013 #90