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ljm2002

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62. Sometimes things don't take hold...

Thu Jun 13, 2013, 11:43 PM

Jun 2013

...until a "perfect storm" of events coalesce to make a topic compelling.

I'd guess there are a few factors in play here. Certainly the dramatic nature of Snowden's release of information. Also the recent Boston Marathon bombing, that put terrorism front and center again. Also the fact that it is now a Democratic administration, and of course with a (gasp) black man as POTUS, has energized many of our political opponents on this issue when they were completely moribund on the topic back when GWB was in office.

Whatever the reasons, I'm happy we're starting the discussion at long last. The one thing I don't want is for everyone to go back to sleep on this issue.

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I don't understand this Snowden "controversy" [View all] Drale Jun 2013 OP

The Government is mad because he's given the documents that allow us to push back. dkf Jun 2013 #1

I understand why the governments mad but what I don't understand Drale Jun 2013 #2

Every popular messageboard eventually becomes a political battleground. reformist2 Jun 2013 #4

Because they reflexively defend Obama to protect him politically. dkf Jun 2013 #6

A rare moment where I completely agree with you. Quantess Jun 2013 #36

Because now the government can be sued for doing it Aerows Jun 2013 #12

Snowden made allegations without evidence then fled to Hong Kong. randome Jun 2013 #3

Its not.about.Snowden LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #5

It's about whether his claims are credible or not. randome Jun 2013 #8

Is Thomas Drake credible? LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #11

I have not paid much attention to Drake but I'll take a look now. randome Jun 2013 #13

For one thing, Drake was fighting a Republican administration. randome Jun 2013 #16

I see the problem here LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #18

The problem is you call 'storing' information the same as 'spying'. randome Jun 2013 #19

LOL LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #25

Drake was fighting warrantless wire tapping as well as other things. randome Jun 2013 #27

1000+++++ VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #60

But I agree to their terms when I use their product joeglow3 Jun 2013 #76

They don't believe they are stealing it because the Corporations believe they own that data not you! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #77

they aren't just storing it TorchTheWitch Jun 2013 #75

Thank you Torch LondonReign2 Jun 2013 #81

LoL. The Obama Adm BROUGHT the charges in 2010. They didn't reduce the charges kenny blankenship Jun 2013 #33

I stand corrected. randome Jun 2013 #38

If it's so "tiresome" then don't read anything related to the facts Cha Jun 2013 #59

He fled to Hong Kong because he's a borderline tea bagger Drale Jun 2013 #7

Yeah, I agree. randome Jun 2013 #10

I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #15

There are more unknowns than knowns after the Snowden/Greenwald 'expose'. randome Jun 2013 #21

Reminds me of trashy tabloid headlines. HappyMe Jun 2013 #23

and what he has done with these thus far unsubstantiated claims VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #64

He provided evidence and Greenwald made no such claim. The NSA did and Greenwald Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #41

Who provided evidence? Snowden? I must have missed it. randome Jun 2013 #42

Evidence published in the Guardian. The NSA documents claimed that they had direct access. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #44

The PowerPoint presentations may have been simply a marketing tool of some sort. randome Jun 2013 #49

Yes. And that is why there is a world wide man hunt for Snowden and Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #53

I updated my post with a new interpretation of the PowerPoint slides. randome Jun 2013 #55

Greenwald reported the exact words on the slides. Exact. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #57

But he didn't investigate fully, did he? randome Jun 2013 #61

He went to the tech companies & reported their rebuttals. His report did what it was supposed to do Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #63

ding ding ding we have a winner VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #73

That is exactly what it looks like to me... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #72

He could have made those Powerpoint Presentations himself for all we know... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #65

You're forgetting that little court order thing. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #46

The court order that confirmed what was already established fact. randome Jun 2013 #50

Perhaps you should inform the Supreme Court of that. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #56

Doesn't matter if it was "old news". If it was classified, he broke the law. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #9

Probably because some people laud him as a hero shawn703 Jun 2013 #14

would you argue that law breakers like dr. king are not worthy of being deemed a role model? frylock Jun 2013 #34

Are you seriously comparing Dr. King to Mr. Snowden? shawn703 Jun 2013 #37

we're talking about the legality of specific activities.. frylock Jun 2013 #39

Breaking the law doesn't make one a hero shawn703 Jun 2013 #40

^^^ thank you.... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #66

Food For The Corporate Media Machine... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #17

Agree. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #20

The Merits Get Covered Up By The Noise... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #24

Very true. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #26

I'm Thinking... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #30

Don't forget to offer those RFD protective bags for cell phones! randome Jun 2013 #31

What's Old Is New Again... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #32

Hallelujah! Finally some voices of reason around here! VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #68

What in the world do they need 1,700 when just one covers everyone on a carrier TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #48

How do we know that's the case? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #69

It's easy to demagogue moondust Jun 2013 #22

japanese attacking pearl harbor in 1942 is news to me markiv Jun 2013 #28

Because the authoritarians don't want us to talk about Google for Tyrants. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #29

So should anyone who works for NSA just decide their oath to keep Top Secrets Top Secret....is just VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #70

Keeping mountains of secrets about just about everything is one of the symptoms of a police state. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #79

This guy broke the law....and then he ran and hid in China where he exposed what he knows to them. VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #80

me neither Enrique Jun 2013 #35

I think we 'knew' about it in an abstract way, now it's like a brick in the face. Avalux Jun 2013 #43

Legally it is a really big deal. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #45

Amnesty Int vs Tapper nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #51

That is why it is a big deal. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #52

I know...submitted an article nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #54

Here's a good history (farther back) Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #67

Good but they should also sue Verizon VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #71

No, not really. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #74

He brought it back into the spotlight... allin99 Jun 2013 #47

Republicans with the help of the media are pushing this now with the hope of winning in 2014 Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #58

Sometimes things don't take hold... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #62

Riiiiigggght! That's why he's a wanted man now. Th1onein Jun 2013 #78