knr, Strange Bedfellows Unite to Fight FISA Deal, 2008 ... (Reply #17)

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Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:17 AM

slipslidingaway (21,210 posts)

17. knr, Strange Bedfellows Unite to Fight FISA Deal, 2008 ...

we have to move past the "my team" mentality for the people to have a chance.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7303961

And Jane Hamsher today ...

"...I went on Ed Shultz last night, and Fox deliberately today after yesterday’s hubub. It scares the bejesus out of the DC establishment of both parties to think that the left and right might align against the corporate interests that dominate the massive giveaways that keep happening no matter who’s in power.

Good. They should be scared."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3480169&mesg_id=3480169

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90 replies	Author	Time	Post
This is not about Obama or Snowden, this is about the corporate takeover of our democracy [View all]	Bjorn Against	Jun 2013	OP
People are so comfortable that they don't realize they're being robbed.	Gregorian	Jun 2013	#1
This is the point I have been trying to make! The solution to this problem is	Dustlawyer	Jun 2013	#54
It's a Catch-22. First the people need to know what is in their best interest. Then they can elect.	Gregorian	Jun 2013	#71
yes, blinding people with lies is one way	hopemountain	Jun 2013	#82
I have posted this same message 100's of times here at DU,	Dustlawyer	Jun 2013	#87
It's NOT just the rich buying our democracy	fasttense	Jun 2013	#85
''Capitalism...allows a few people to abuse 300 million people with NO Repercussions.''	Octafish	Jun 2013	#88
That is the Elephant in the room-	ruffburr	Jun 2013	#2
It doesn't really matter who the President is right now.	octoberlib	Jun 2013	#3
I won't go so far to say it doesn't matter but...	Bjorn Against	Jun 2013	#5
Yes! nt	snappyturtle	Jun 2013	#10
We need campaign finance reform but I have no idea how to accomplish this.	CrispyQ	Jun 2013	#50
SCOTUS	WovenGems	Jun 2013	#74
Also, you hit the nail squarely on the head. nt	octoberlib	Jun 2013	#4
Brilliant. I agree completely.	JDPriestly	Jun 2013	#6
succinct and exactly it. +100,000 for brevity.	Phillip McCleod	Jun 2013	#64
EXACTLY!	SHRED	Jun 2013	#7
K&R Note also the extremely disturbing propaganda machine	woo me with science	Jun 2013	#8
+1 Well said, woo. n/t	Laelth	Jun 2013	#41
+ 1 here as well. n/t	truedelphi	Jun 2013	#63
K&R	abelenkpe	Jun 2013	#9
Around the water cooler people are asking "why now?"	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2013	#11
"Why now" is not really the relevant question...	ljm2002	Jun 2013	#14
no one bothered before yet it was common knowledge	Rosa Luxemburg	Jun 2013	#15
"Better late than never"...	ljm2002	Jun 2013	#21
if only congress represented its citizens...	flobee1	Jun 2013	#31
'Why now?' is a good question	felix_numinous	Jun 2013	#45
Why NOW? Because.....	fasttense	Jun 2013	#86
Excellent.K&R I would love to hear from Naomi Klein. I just wonder hoe	snappyturtle	Jun 2013	#12
Hear, hear...	ljm2002	Jun 2013	#13
knr	alfredo	Jun 2013	#16
knr, Strange Bedfellows Unite to Fight FISA Deal, 2008 ...	slipslidingaway	Jun 2013	#17
I've been saying we may need the Tea Party	tblue	Jun 2013	#26
Having an obvious enemy helps, but we can find other areas ...	slipslidingaway	Jun 2013	#68
The President is swept up into the system	ErikJ	Jun 2013	#18
You're about to get the meme	tblue	Jun 2013	#28
Great post	dreamnightwind	Jun 2013	#56
Nail... head.	Blue State Bandit	Jun 2013	#19
Bjorn, I must've said this 20 times here in the past week	Hekate	Jun 2013	#20
Problem is that if you believed those who said such things ...	slipslidingaway	Jun 2013	#24
k&r thanks for posting.	rhett o rick	Jun 2013	#22
Not answering any "auto" hate replies ...	slipslidingaway	Jun 2013	#23
Clinton did repeal Glass-Steagal... n/t	Fire Walk With Me	Jun 2013	#25
Obama and Bush have to figure in there somewhere.	delrem	Jun 2013	#27
It is not that they don't have a role, the issue is that this is so much bigger than any one person	Bjorn Against	Jun 2013	#32
I always knew something was wrong....	ReRe	Jun 2013	#29
My biggest political issue is education because my son has suffered so much, but this too	liberal_at_heart	Jun 2013	#30
For a visual	mnhtnbb	Jun 2013	#33
This message was self-deleted by its author	mother earth	Jun 2013	#34
Thanks you! Excellent post, best I have ever seen on DU!!!	Civilization2	Jun 2013	#35
Give ownership of the data to the customer, not the corporation.	geek tragedy	Jun 2013	#36
Recommend...OP and Thread Comments.	KoKo	Jun 2013	#37
Spot on, I have been saying this for years, follow the money!	Rebellious Republican	Jun 2013	#38
That's it. Great OP.	yardwork	Jun 2013	#39
Very thoughtful and reasonable.	Laelth	Jun 2013	#40
to read later	snagglepuss	Jun 2013	#42
Compromise	pmorlan1	Jun 2013	#43
Agree 100% with ^^^ and this OP.	GoneFishin	Jun 2013	#47
My argument is not about excusing Obama, it is pointing out that this goes beyond any individual	Bjorn Against	Jun 2013	#59
The President may not unilaterally change duly enacted law, that's Congress's job.	xtraxritical	Jun 2013	#72
K&R	me b zola	Jun 2013	#44
I love your handle	Demeter	Jun 2013	#46
Thanks, yes it is a play off Born Again	Bjorn Against	Jun 2013	#62
If the system and those that run it are such powerful behemoths,	Myrina	Jun 2013	#48
"The NSA has been spying on Americans for the last sixty years..."	calimary	Jun 2013	#49
Brilliant essay	MrScorpio	Jun 2013	#51
General Alexander, NSA director, is more powerful than the POTUS	grasswire	Jun 2013	#52
He's like Admiral Poindexter, except without the criminal record.	Octafish	Jun 2013	#89
K&R	dmr	Jun 2013	#53
I think we over rate the President.	timdog44	Jun 2013	#55
Yep. You've got it right. Too many of us think that President Obama is some kind of	AikidoSoul	Jun 2013	#57
Thanks for the post.......	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2013	#58
The organizational principle	sulphurdunn	Jun 2013	#60
.	blkmusclmachine	Jun 2013	#61
End stage capitalism......	socialist_n_TN	Jun 2013	#65
I disagree. A real leader, who really wants to change the obscene status quo, doesn't lead	MotherPetrie	Jun 2013	#66
Yep, a colossal failure	kwolf68	Jun 2013	#75
What it's all about. n/t	Doremus	Jun 2013	#67
Funny, I thought this was all about how far off track we can get from world peace.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jun 2013	#69
Time	mtasselin	Jun 2013	#70
I recommended your OP, although I find parts of it	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#73
To be fair, when Obama is criticized, we are reminded that he has a GOP Congress and	djean111	Jun 2013	#76
Agreed. The NSA stuff would be deeply odious and an abomination, even	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#77
Agreed right back at ya!	djean111	Jun 2013	#78
While I enjoy this discussion, I tend to come down pretty firmly on the	HardTimes99	Jun 2013	#79
GOP obstructionism is demonstrably NOT the main problem.	woo me with science	Jun 2013	#83
corp control of spying is never good, this video gets to it	mettamega	Jun 2013	#80
K&R	midnight	Jun 2013	#81
"Let's fight the real enemies." Hear, hear!	woo me with science	Jun 2013	#84
There is nothing they love more than to see us fight ourselves	Puzzledtraveller	Jun 2013	#90

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