K/R and DAMN, there's a LOT of misinformation in this thread... (Reply #30)

In the discussion thread: Shocking Factoid of the Day: Gas cars use more electricity to go 100 miles than Electric Cars do! [View all]

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Sun Feb 12, 2012, 03:22 AM

NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)

30. K/R and DAMN, there's a LOT of misinformation in this thread...

I'm an energy guru, it's sad to see how little people know.

You are correct...

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Shocking Factoid of the Day: Gas cars use more electricity to go 100 miles than Electric Cars do! [View all]	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	OP
That's only fair if you compare the energy it takes to make the batteries	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#1
That energy is already calculated in the energy it takes to build the vehicles, building an electric	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#2
Really? Got a link for that? I doubt you do.	TheWraith	Feb 2012	#6
No, the fact that it will take about as much energy to make a gas guzzler as an EV is common sense	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#22
No, it's not. It's a fairly large and unsupported assumption.	TheWraith	Feb 2012	#52
I'm pretty sure the batteries are not made on site but by battery manufacturers and then shipped for	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#7
That's true for a great many components of automobiles, the majority in fact..	Fumesucker	Feb 2012	#11
Correct. Prius batteries travel a great distance before placement into the cars themselves.	cherokeeprogressive	Feb 2012	#18
About the same thing that happens with the oil. But over and over again, every time you fill your	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#23
"About"?	Nuclear Unicorn	Feb 2012	#56
The energy to make the batteries is a 1 time expense, energy to make a gallon of gas is per gallon	ShadowLiberal	Feb 2012	#9
You have a point, but batteries don't last forever, even if there corrosive chemicals do.	Lionessa	Feb 2012	#13
Batteries can be recycled.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#31
Those "corrosive chemicals" do not last forever.	PavePusher	Feb 2012	#53
Batteries have to be charged as gas tanks have to be filled.	NCTraveler	Feb 2012	#28
The question isn't that focused. It's an energy-side question.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#15
What about the energy it takes to provide the fuel	hughee99	Feb 2012	#50
For the purposes of this discussion it is not useful to measure energy in kwh	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2012	#3
Far less. Every time you drive a Gas car 30 miles, you use a gallon of gas PLUS whatever	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#5
You're looking at this backwards.	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2012	#8
Eh, while true, it's not particularly useful.	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#19
The electricity comes from some source of fuel as well.	antigone382	Feb 2012	#17
The point is that it requires 7.5 kwh of electricity to make a gallon of gas; so	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#32
Erm, if you're consuming less energy, and that energy is still fossil fuel based...	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#16
No. If I buy electricity to generate kinetic energy...	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2012	#20
Nah, even if you take the nuclear plants in Lousiana and California...	joshcryer	Feb 2012	#21
You'd lose the argument, and by quite a bit	IDemo	Feb 2012	#36
It all depends on where you live.	lumberjack_jeff	Feb 2012	#49
Won't THIS piss off the hybrid-bashers on Craig's List?	WhoIsNumberNone	Feb 2012	#4
Hybrids cause more greenhouse gas emissions in many areas	tabasco	Feb 2012	#10
You're missing the point of the post - the gas powered car uses the electricity PLUS the gas.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#26
No, you're missing the point.	tabasco	Feb 2012	#35
This tired old myth pops up on each and every EV thread online	IDemo	Feb 2012	#37
The "tired old myth" comes from Argonne National Laboratory	tabasco	Feb 2012	#44
Look at it this way, refining one gallon of gas requires 7.5Kwh of electricity. So,	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#40
I want an electric car but can't afford one	Rosa Luxemburg	Feb 2012	#12
Mitsubishi Imiev or the Prius-C (under 20K)??? Me, I ride a bike.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#25
I can have only one car. So my car can't be electric.	Honeycombe8	Feb 2012	#38
The problem with these type of calculations is they ignore the power plant.	former9thward	Feb 2012	#14
No, the gallon of gas uses NOT ONLY the electricity, BUT ALSO the oil!!!	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#24
Really? Got a link for that? LOL just kidding.	Zalatix	Feb 2012	#27
Thank you! I don't understand why they want to use the electricity AND the gas to go the same distan	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#29
K/R and DAMN, there's a LOT of misinformation in this thread...	NYC_SKP	Feb 2012	#30
K&R	Scuba	Feb 2012	#33
Damn, only 22 miles per gallon average?	Art_from_Ark	Feb 2012	#34
The calculation is wrong -- 21000 BTU can generate about 2.4 kWhr of electricity	FarCenter	Feb 2012	#39
It takes 7.5 kWh of electricity to just to REFINE one gallon of gas; the car still has not moved.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#41
No, it takes 21000 BTU of chemical and heat energy	FarCenter	Feb 2012	#42
I know that US refineries used 48,891,000,000 kWh of electricity in 2005.	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#46
It works out to 0.35 kWHr/gallon of gas.	FarCenter	Feb 2012	#48
There is a deeper discussion of how they arrived at the 7.5 kWh figure	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#51
shocking factoid...we can MAKE electricity...we can't make oil	spanone	Feb 2012	#43
K&R for an awesome discussion. The debate here is fascinating and	coalition_unwilling	Feb 2012	#45
Interesting	libtodeath	Feb 2012	#47
What's not factored into all of this	HarveyDarkey	Feb 2012	#57
Yes, but what if I want to go more than 100 miles	HarveyDarkey	Feb 2012	#54
Well, if you can afford it, buy a Tesla...	grahamhgreen	Feb 2012	#55

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