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Showing Original Post only (View all)Snowden and Greenwald Beginning to Self-Destruct; ‘The Nation’ and ‘Mother Jones’ Raise Questions [View all]
By Bob Cesca · June 14,2013
Its now been more than a week since Glenn Greenwald reported that the National Security Agency attained direct access to servers owned by the various tech giants, Google, Facebook, Apple and so forth.
And its been almost a week since other sites, now including Mother Jones, The Nation and Andrew Sullivans The Dish, began to notice significant issues with his reporting about PRISM.
I should underscore once again how consequential the direct access line happens to be. The implication of direct access is clearly that, unbeknownst to the public, the NSA and, apparently, low level IT subcontractors, enjoyed back door access to proprietary server data, horked it at will and, according to Greenwald, did so potentially without a warrant. Rick Perlstein, in a post for The Nation, quoted Mark Jaquith of WordPress who observed that the direct access line is the difference between a bombshell and a yawn of a story. (Im sure Perlstein and Jaquith have been inundated with Obamabot apologist! accusations for daring to aim an incredulous post in Greenwalds direction.)
On his Wednesday podcast, Sam Seder said in support of Greenwald and Snowden, That guy [Snowden] revealed all of this to us. But in terms of new news, the direct access description is arguably the only aspect of the PRISM item, other than the PRISM PowerPoint and the story of a guy named Edward Snowden who leaked it, that was unknown prior to last weeks reporting. And its not holding water under scrutiny. Furthermore, weve been aware of the NSAs eavesdropping efforts, including email, for many years now. In fact, the Obama administration, only three months into its first term weeded out several instances of unwarranted NSA eavesdropping. Kurt Eichenwald covered the NSAs counter-terrorism efforts in his bestselling book, 500 Days. But this was somehow flushed down the memory hole in lieu of hyperbole and kneejerk mass hysteria over Greenwald and others shouting fire! (or Worse than Bush!) in a virtual crowded theater.
Indeed, Greenwald continues to shout fire! in the face of mounting concern (see my previous posts) over the veracity of his central scoop. Perlstein also quoted open-source expert Ken Fogel who referred to the use of direct access as an epic botch. Mother Jones Kevin Drum wrote yesterday, the direct access claim puzzled me from the start. Even with my modest technical background, I understood immediately that it didnt make sense. Wednesday night on Chris Hayes MSNBC show, Greenwald weaseled around the questions, saying essentially the same thing hes said all week: that he summarized the line from the PRISM PowerPoint slide and therefore hes didnt botch the story.
http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/snowden-and-greenwald-beginning-to-self-destruct-the-nation-and-mother-jones-raise-questions/
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flamingdem
Jun 2013
OP
The bottom line, to me, is that there is no doub that NSA not only has access to,
MotherPetrie
Jun 2013
#1
They've been after him since the first story, which held nothing classified but that they were
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#94
I don't know what you mean by "every piece of electronic communication." They only
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#32
Are you accusing some here of being duped by a former Cato Institute and Koch Brothers employee
Ikonoklast
Jun 2013
#196
the kneejerking is done by Obama fans who give him a pass because he's supposedly a Dem instead
MotherPetrie
Jun 2013
#92
Greenwald thought he saw a sore spot in the Liberal Left and he is trying to
VanillaRhapsody
Jun 2013
#104
It's not about them. It's about a rubber stamp court that permits the government to
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#11
You want there to still be a 4th Amendment!? Why, you pearl-clutching unicorn-herder!
villager
Jun 2013
#15
that's a bit obvious. There's a million may or may nots in this life. A million what ifs.
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#17
I don't care when it broke. We need to put pressure on our government to stop spying on citizens.
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#21
Precisely--and the timing of the release of info (which Snowden insisted upon) had to be precise.
MADem
Jun 2013
#157
but they're willing to approve collecting phone data on millions ordinary average American
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#26
They have data on telephone numbers made by ordinary citizens with no probable cause.
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#44
data is transmitted using the companies servers with FTP access - not accessing !
flamingdem
Jun 2013
#23
I don't really understand this. Here is what Feinstein just said after the secret briefing:
reusrename
Jun 2013
#47
I don't care when the news broke. I don't care that it is legal. It is unconstitutional and therefor
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#28
They can get phone numbers I have called from the phone companies when they have no
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#36
If you're "no longer a democrat" then you haven't been one since the late seventies.
MADem
Jun 2013
#159
Actually, the Verizon story came first, got a big reaction, is a big deal. The PRISM story came
Hissyspit
Jun 2013
#52
Then they should never have approved letting the government collect phone data on
liberal_at_heart
Jun 2013
#45
Direct Access Is The One Thing That The Surveillance State Would Most Want To Bury
cantbeserious
Jun 2013
#54
"Move along. Nothing to see here. Pay no attention to the men behind the curtain."
Ford_Prefect
Jun 2013
#59
More like, 'Stop living in a Harry Potter fantasy and look at the real world's problems.'
randome
Jun 2013
#69
Companies that protest that the NSA does not have access to their data are lying.
Laelth
Jun 2013
#79
“direct access” description … only aspect … that was unknown prior = DU's instant reaction
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#88
she! LOL! proven that you DID not even read the article or watch the video, that scared i see
Monkie
Jun 2013
#109
She says she learned significantly more. So what? That by itself means nothing.
randome
Jun 2013
#121
K&R... did you see the WSWS thread with the assertion that we MUST support Snowden, Assange, etc?
redqueen
Jun 2013
#137
A mass movement of easily-led, cult of personality-worshipping reactionaries. nt
redqueen
Jun 2013
#155