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Catherina

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Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:25 AM Jun 2013

Liberal advocates of a police state turn savagely against Edward Snowden [View all]

Liberal advocates of a police state turn savagely against Edward Snowden
By David North and Eric London
14 June 2013

Since Edward Snowden’s exposure of the Obama administration’s illegal domestic and international surveillance program, the political establishment and the media has been engaged in a non-stop campaign to discredit the young man and besmirch his character and reputation. To their dismay, the public is not falling for the anti-Snowden hate campaign. He is seen as a man with principles, and his warnings of a massive government conspiracy against the people’s democratic rights have struck a chord with millions who resent and fear the increasing invasion of their privacy by government snoopers. If a nation-wide vote were taken to determine who the American people found more trust-worthy and believable—Snowden or his persecutors in the Obama administration, Congress and the media—the 29-year-old Ed Snowden would win hands-down.

The campaign to discredit Snowden comes as no surprise. But what is particularly significant about the media campaign is the explicitly anti-democratic and authoritarian arguments that are being advanced to condemn him.

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How does one explain the transformation of Professor Geoffrey R. Stone from a critic of government violations of civil liberties into a persecutor of those who seek to defend the Bill of Rights? The same question could be asked in relation to the evolution of Jeff Toobin. Clearly, more is involved than individuals changing their minds. The evolution of these two people reflects a far broader social and political process. The breakdown of democratic institutions proceeds alongside the dissolution of any significant support for democratic rights within the ruling elite and its faithful retainers among the wealthiest 5 percent of the population. Aware of their own distance from the social interests of the broad masses of the population, they look to the state to defend their own wealth and privileges.

The rich and the privileged hate Snowden because he has defied the state that protects their interests. He failed to show proper deference to their system and their secrets. He has exposed the massive conspiracy that is being directed in Washington against the democratic rights of the people. And that is why they are determined to destroy Ed Snowden.

It is the solemn duty of the working class to come to his defense.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/06/14/comm-j14.html

AGAIN: It is the solemn duty of the working class to come to his defense.


and for some semi-comic relief from the UK government whose GCHQ collaborated with NSA in these assaults on the privacy of their own citizens as well as illegal wars like Iraq, the UK, no really, you have to read this to believe it. As if Snowden would ever even dream of getting on a flight to the UK.

Prism Whistleblower Snowden Not Welcome In UK
Airlines worldwide have been issued with an alert not to allow the US spy leaker to board UK-bound flights.

The UK government has urged airlines worldwide not to allow ex-CIA employee Edward Snowden, who leaked details of a secret US internet surveillance programme, to board flights to Britain.

The alert, dated Monday on a Home Office letterhead, said carriers should prevent the former US intelligence contractor boarding UK-bound flights because "the individual is highly likely to be refused entry to the UK", according to the Associated Press.

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The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, reportedly told AP that any carrier that brought Mr Snowden would be liable to be fined £2,000, adding that he would likely have been deemed by the Home Office to be detrimental to the "public good".

The alert was issued by the Risk and Liaison Overseas Network, which is part of the UK Border Agency and has staff in several countries identified as major transit points for inadequately documented passengers.

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http://news.sky.com/story/1103567/prism-whistleblower-snowden-not-welcome-in-uk


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One more thing. The Avaaz petition is gaining signatures rapidly. Please sign it Catherina Jun 2013 #1
Avaaz is an international version of MoveOn eridani Jun 2013 #5
Signatories from all over the world! Divernan Jun 2013 #16
"If" a republican were in office, ALL DU would be outraged. Often one needs RKP5637 Jun 2013 #31
726,376 when I signed duhneece Jun 2013 #19
815,504 now. Amazing! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #81
848,899 As Of Now !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #94
885,900+ now Catherina Jun 2013 #108
947,758 now!! Up to million in no time Catherina Jun 2013 #112
Signed. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #95
K&R! felix_numinous Jun 2013 #2
What the rich and thieving really hate is that people like Snowden Can NOT be bought fasttense Jun 2013 #3
I think you are timdog44 Jun 2013 #39
Wow! sibelian Jun 2013 #53
I really do believe what I have said. timdog44 Jun 2013 #55
Some liberals realize he's a Ron Paul supporter michigandem58 Jun 2013 #4
There is no manufactured crisis. unreadierLizard Jun 2013 #6
Same manufactured crisis timdog44 Jun 2013 #13
+1000. If liberal progressive leftists are really concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties baldguy Jun 2013 #24
You go to war with the army you've got. Divernan Jun 2013 #34
Thank you for the quote from Rumsferatu. baldguy Jun 2013 #41
An Obama supporting his base WOULD BE OUR ARMY in this... But he's NOT! cascadiance Jun 2013 #75
Bravo! Well stated! Divernan Jun 2013 #97
Looks like they are rallying around Ari Fleischer, Peter 'we count the votes' King and Republican sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #110
Some liberals would have loved COINTELPRO. tsuki Jun 2013 #8
Get real. timdog44 Jun 2013 #17
You are rewriting your version of history. It's much more nuanced than your KoKo Jun 2013 #38
I don't think I am rewriting history. timdog44 Jun 2013 #44
It is not a rewrite. It is a fabrication. tsuki Jun 2013 #66
The European Union DARES to disagree with your assessment Divernan Jun 2013 #12
Why is it that there are those who think long time Dems on this site will fall KoKo Jun 2013 #49
Well Paul is a Republican and we are not particularly fond of Republicans. Except all the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #69
Shhhh.... progressoid Jun 2013 #78
transitive property thinking Dragonfli Jun 2013 #101
I guess Chris Hedges had them nailed in "Death of the Liberal Class" Fuddnik Jun 2013 #7
Did you see Chris Hedges on Democracy Now? tsuki Jun 2013 #9
These aren't liberals. PDittie Jun 2013 #10
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #57
+1 liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #67
I was going to mention that because they are neo-liberals as you said (very different than liberals) Dragonfli Jun 2013 #102
The shitbags bashing Snowden are not liberal. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #11
+1 n/t Bonhomme Richard Jun 2013 #14
Your fellow 'shitbag' DUers would be more than happy to believe anything Snowden says... randome Jun 2013 #15
You mean something like this? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #18
Greenwald & Snowden misinterpreted that. randome Jun 2013 #21
YOUR interpretation is too far-fetched to even qualify as fiction. Divernan Jun 2013 #27
Snowden's claims are more like magical Harry Potter crap. randome Jun 2013 #30
The EU does not formally protest based on Harry Potter Divernan Jun 2013 #42
I think we'll let the diplomats work that out. randome Jun 2013 #46
Tell it to the FISA court that ruled NSA practices unconstitutional KurtNYC Jun 2013 #43
Part of the process. The legal system, for the most part, works. randome Jun 2013 #47
the ruling is secret and the practices ruled unconstitutional are ongoing KurtNYC Jun 2013 #50
I wonder if Congress has any insights on this. randome Jun 2013 #54
Show me which sentence in the article reveals misinterpretation. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #33
I was NOT referring to the article, but to poster Randome's comments. Divernan Jun 2013 #36
The very first bullet point. randome Jun 2013 #37
Top-secret Prism program claims direct access to servers Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #45
This one quotes him. randome Jun 2013 #48
The very first bullet point... is an undeniable fact. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #64
See the link in #48. randome Jun 2013 #76
LOL. Now you're just changing the subject. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #89
its the SCOPE of the warrants not the quantity Monkie Jun 2013 #58
You're talking about the phone metadata. randome Jun 2013 #59
im talking about semantics used to excuses unlimited storage of all data Monkie Jun 2013 #60
We have been 'doomed' since I joined DU in 2001. randome Jun 2013 #63
have you seen and read what rep. Sanchez said after the secret briefing Monkie Jun 2013 #65
Randome can't Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #87
Or I answered it in another thread. I guess we'll never know. randome Jun 2013 #98
Lol, haven't been keeping up with the news again? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #79
It matters not one bit if it's 'old news'. randome Jun 2013 #86
Wake up already...Even The Guardian has walked back Greenwald's (and Snowden's) BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #40
There is no indication in the article that the requested "dropbox" system is the same Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #68
The much vaunted PowerPoint slide shown above proves nothing BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #70
Exactly. So did the original article. That Greenwald made any kind of claims is a lie. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #71
But that doesn't stop Greenwald from conflating BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #72
Huh? He's been critisizing the elimination of privacy since 2005. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #73
Try peddling that to the rest of the world - they're not buying it. Divernan Jun 2013 #20
The metadata is definitely old news. randome Jun 2013 #22
I do some name calling timdog44 Jun 2013 #23
Or, as I like to put it... randome Jun 2013 #28
I like timdog44 Jun 2013 #52
+1. Very sad. allin99 Jun 2013 #32
"savagely" is a bit of a stretch for the pathetic attacks on DU Divernan Jun 2013 #25
I just used the article of the title which focused on the media and pundits Catherina Jun 2013 #82
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #26
Wsws speaks for neither liberals nor the working class, lol. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #29
This would be sad if it weren't so hilarious. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #35
wsws! LOL!!... SidDithers Jun 2013 #51
k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #56
Thanks for Info and Links....! Good to see so much support. KoKo Jun 2013 #61
The torture of hyperbole continues. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #62
There are no liberal advocates of a police/security state because such a police/security state TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #74
Well said n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #83
817k on petition and growing fast..people worldwide are fed up with this bs..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #84
"a mass movement in defense of democratic rights." Hello? Zorra Jun 2013 #77
+100000000000000000 Catherina Jun 2013 #88
Yes, we will. I absolutely refuse to die before that. Zorra Jun 2013 #90
The thread title is an oxymoron. nt LWolf Jun 2013 #80
Edward Snowden is a brave bona fide Hero totodeinhere Jun 2013 #85
Truth! I continue to call him a hero too Catherina Jun 2013 #92
I would like to think that I would have done the same thing. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #93
I would like to think so too but it's easier thought than done Catherina Jun 2013 #96
Back in the olden days... ReRe Jun 2013 #91
That is exactly what it feels like BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #104
my ignore list has quadrupled since this story hit the fan carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #105
I have great appreciation for people showing principle BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #107
Me too. n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #109
the petition which you posted is blowing my mind xiamiam Jun 2013 #99
The concept of liberal advocates of a police state is oxymoronic on its face indepat Jun 2013 #100
Not really Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #103
THak GOD he has Larry Klayman on his side JI7 Jun 2013 #106
I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING JI7 Jun 2013 #111
It is the solemn duty of the working class to come to his defense. -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #113
Well to be fair, as soon as his name came out, people were calling him a hero treestar Jun 2013 #114
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