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unreadierLizard

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6. There is no manufactured crisis.

Fri Jun 14, 2013, 06:38 AM

Jun 2013

This is not a party issue. This has to do with the privacy rights ALL Americans enjoy, regardless of their political views.

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Liberal advocates of a police state turn savagely against Edward Snowden [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

One more thing. The Avaaz petition is gaining signatures rapidly. Please sign it Catherina Jun 2013 #1

Avaaz is an international version of MoveOn eridani Jun 2013 #5

Signatories from all over the world! Divernan Jun 2013 #16

"If" a republican were in office, ALL DU would be outraged. Often one needs RKP5637 Jun 2013 #31

726,376 when I signed duhneece Jun 2013 #19

815,504 now. Amazing! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #81

848,899 As Of Now !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #94

885,900+ now Catherina Jun 2013 #108

947,758 now!! Up to million in no time Catherina Jun 2013 #112

Signed. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #95

K&R! felix_numinous Jun 2013 #2

What the rich and thieving really hate is that people like Snowden Can NOT be bought fasttense Jun 2013 #3

I think you are timdog44 Jun 2013 #39

Wow! sibelian Jun 2013 #53

I really do believe what I have said. timdog44 Jun 2013 #55

Some liberals realize he's a Ron Paul supporter michigandem58 Jun 2013 #4

There is no manufactured crisis. unreadierLizard Jun 2013 #6

Same manufactured crisis timdog44 Jun 2013 #13

+1000. If liberal progressive leftists are really concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties baldguy Jun 2013 #24

You go to war with the army you've got. Divernan Jun 2013 #34

Thank you for the quote from Rumsferatu. baldguy Jun 2013 #41

An Obama supporting his base WOULD BE OUR ARMY in this... But he's NOT! cascadiance Jun 2013 #75

Bravo! Well stated! Divernan Jun 2013 #97

Looks like they are rallying around Ari Fleischer, Peter 'we count the votes' King and Republican sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #110

Some liberals would have loved COINTELPRO. tsuki Jun 2013 #8

Get real. timdog44 Jun 2013 #17

You are rewriting your version of history. It's much more nuanced than your KoKo Jun 2013 #38

I don't think I am rewriting history. timdog44 Jun 2013 #44

It is not a rewrite. It is a fabrication. tsuki Jun 2013 #66

The European Union DARES to disagree with your assessment Divernan Jun 2013 #12

Why is it that there are those who think long time Dems on this site will fall KoKo Jun 2013 #49

Well Paul is a Republican and we are not particularly fond of Republicans. Except all the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #69

Shhhh.... progressoid Jun 2013 #78

transitive property thinking Dragonfli Jun 2013 #101

I guess Chris Hedges had them nailed in "Death of the Liberal Class" Fuddnik Jun 2013 #7

Did you see Chris Hedges on Democracy Now? tsuki Jun 2013 #9

These aren't liberals. PDittie Jun 2013 #10

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #57

+1 liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #67

I was going to mention that because they are neo-liberals as you said (very different than liberals) Dragonfli Jun 2013 #102

The shitbags bashing Snowden are not liberal. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #11

+1 n/t Bonhomme Richard Jun 2013 #14

Your fellow 'shitbag' DUers would be more than happy to believe anything Snowden says... randome Jun 2013 #15

You mean something like this? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #18

Greenwald & Snowden misinterpreted that. randome Jun 2013 #21

YOUR interpretation is too far-fetched to even qualify as fiction. Divernan Jun 2013 #27

Snowden's claims are more like magical Harry Potter crap. randome Jun 2013 #30

The EU does not formally protest based on Harry Potter Divernan Jun 2013 #42

I think we'll let the diplomats work that out. randome Jun 2013 #46

Tell it to the FISA court that ruled NSA practices unconstitutional KurtNYC Jun 2013 #43

Part of the process. The legal system, for the most part, works. randome Jun 2013 #47

the ruling is secret and the practices ruled unconstitutional are ongoing KurtNYC Jun 2013 #50

I wonder if Congress has any insights on this. randome Jun 2013 #54

Show me which sentence in the article reveals misinterpretation. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #33

I was NOT referring to the article, but to poster Randome's comments. Divernan Jun 2013 #36

The very first bullet point. randome Jun 2013 #37

Top-secret Prism program claims direct access to servers Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #45

This one quotes him. randome Jun 2013 #48

The very first bullet point... is an undeniable fact. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #64

See the link in #48. randome Jun 2013 #76

LOL. Now you're just changing the subject. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #89

its the SCOPE of the warrants not the quantity Monkie Jun 2013 #58

You're talking about the phone metadata. randome Jun 2013 #59

im talking about semantics used to excuses unlimited storage of all data Monkie Jun 2013 #60

We have been 'doomed' since I joined DU in 2001. randome Jun 2013 #63

have you seen and read what rep. Sanchez said after the secret briefing Monkie Jun 2013 #65

Randome can't Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #87

Or I answered it in another thread. I guess we'll never know. randome Jun 2013 #98

Lol, haven't been keeping up with the news again? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #79

It matters not one bit if it's 'old news'. randome Jun 2013 #86

Wake up already...Even The Guardian has walked back Greenwald's (and Snowden's) BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #40

There is no indication in the article that the requested "dropbox" system is the same Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #68

The much vaunted PowerPoint slide shown above proves nothing BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #70

Exactly. So did the original article. That Greenwald made any kind of claims is a lie. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #71

But that doesn't stop Greenwald from conflating BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #72

Huh? He's been critisizing the elimination of privacy since 2005. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #73

Try peddling that to the rest of the world - they're not buying it. Divernan Jun 2013 #20

The metadata is definitely old news. randome Jun 2013 #22

I do some name calling timdog44 Jun 2013 #23

Or, as I like to put it... randome Jun 2013 #28

I like timdog44 Jun 2013 #52

+1. Very sad. allin99 Jun 2013 #32

"savagely" is a bit of a stretch for the pathetic attacks on DU Divernan Jun 2013 #25

I just used the article of the title which focused on the media and pundits Catherina Jun 2013 #82

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #26

Wsws speaks for neither liberals nor the working class, lol. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #29

This would be sad if it weren't so hilarious. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #35

wsws! LOL!!... SidDithers Jun 2013 #51

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #56

Thanks for Info and Links....! Good to see so much support. KoKo Jun 2013 #61

The torture of hyperbole continues. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #62

There are no liberal advocates of a police/security state because such a police/security state TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #74

Well said n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #83

817k on petition and growing fast..people worldwide are fed up with this bs..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #84

"a mass movement in defense of democratic rights." Hello? Zorra Jun 2013 #77

+100000000000000000 Catherina Jun 2013 #88

Yes, we will. I absolutely refuse to die before that. Zorra Jun 2013 #90

The thread title is an oxymoron. nt LWolf Jun 2013 #80

Edward Snowden is a brave bona fide Hero totodeinhere Jun 2013 #85

Truth! I continue to call him a hero too Catherina Jun 2013 #92

I would like to think that I would have done the same thing. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #93

I would like to think so too but it's easier thought than done Catherina Jun 2013 #96

Back in the olden days... ReRe Jun 2013 #91

That is exactly what it feels like BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #104

my ignore list has quadrupled since this story hit the fan carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #105

I have great appreciation for people showing principle BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #107

Me too. n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #109

the petition which you posted is blowing my mind xiamiam Jun 2013 #99

The concept of liberal advocates of a police state is oxymoronic on its face indepat Jun 2013 #100

Not really Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #103

THak GOD he has Larry Klayman on his side JI7 Jun 2013 #106

I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING JI7 Jun 2013 #111

It is the solemn duty of the working class to come to his defense. -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #113

Well to be fair, as soon as his name came out, people were calling him a hero treestar Jun 2013 #114