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randome

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21. Greenwald & Snowden misinterpreted that.

Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:38 AM

Jun 2013

These companies deal with millions of customers daily. They probably receive, let's say a handful of warrants on a daily basis.

Now they could get the information, put it on a CD-Rom drive (really, who uses those any more?) or they could set up a secure server for the NSA to get the data.

Which way sounds more efficient and less time consuming?

'Collection directly from the servers' is not the same thing as saying that the NSA is snooping on the world's Internet traffic.

If Snowden were to offer even the slightest bit of evidence, we would all be on board with him. Say, a personal email from Obama. It's not like Snowden is shy about breaking laws, right?

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Liberal advocates of a police state turn savagely against Edward Snowden [View all] Catherina Jun 2013 OP

One more thing. The Avaaz petition is gaining signatures rapidly. Please sign it Catherina Jun 2013 #1

Avaaz is an international version of MoveOn eridani Jun 2013 #5

Signatories from all over the world! Divernan Jun 2013 #16

"If" a republican were in office, ALL DU would be outraged. Often one needs RKP5637 Jun 2013 #31

726,376 when I signed duhneece Jun 2013 #19

815,504 now. Amazing! n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #81

848,899 As Of Now !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #94

885,900+ now Catherina Jun 2013 #108

947,758 now!! Up to million in no time Catherina Jun 2013 #112

Signed. nt DLevine Jun 2013 #95

K&R! felix_numinous Jun 2013 #2

What the rich and thieving really hate is that people like Snowden Can NOT be bought fasttense Jun 2013 #3

I think you are timdog44 Jun 2013 #39

Wow! sibelian Jun 2013 #53

I really do believe what I have said. timdog44 Jun 2013 #55

Some liberals realize he's a Ron Paul supporter michigandem58 Jun 2013 #4

There is no manufactured crisis. unreadierLizard Jun 2013 #6

Same manufactured crisis timdog44 Jun 2013 #13

+1000. If liberal progressive leftists are really concerned about the erosion of our civil liberties baldguy Jun 2013 #24

You go to war with the army you've got. Divernan Jun 2013 #34

Thank you for the quote from Rumsferatu. baldguy Jun 2013 #41

An Obama supporting his base WOULD BE OUR ARMY in this... But he's NOT! cascadiance Jun 2013 #75

Bravo! Well stated! Divernan Jun 2013 #97

Looks like they are rallying around Ari Fleischer, Peter 'we count the votes' King and Republican sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #110

Some liberals would have loved COINTELPRO. tsuki Jun 2013 #8

Get real. timdog44 Jun 2013 #17

You are rewriting your version of history. It's much more nuanced than your KoKo Jun 2013 #38

I don't think I am rewriting history. timdog44 Jun 2013 #44

It is not a rewrite. It is a fabrication. tsuki Jun 2013 #66

The European Union DARES to disagree with your assessment Divernan Jun 2013 #12

Why is it that there are those who think long time Dems on this site will fall KoKo Jun 2013 #49

Well Paul is a Republican and we are not particularly fond of Republicans. Except all the sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #69

Shhhh.... progressoid Jun 2013 #78

transitive property thinking Dragonfli Jun 2013 #101

I guess Chris Hedges had them nailed in "Death of the Liberal Class" Fuddnik Jun 2013 #7

Did you see Chris Hedges on Democracy Now? tsuki Jun 2013 #9

These aren't liberals. PDittie Jun 2013 #10

^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #57

+1 liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #67

I was going to mention that because they are neo-liberals as you said (very different than liberals) Dragonfli Jun 2013 #102

The shitbags bashing Snowden are not liberal. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #11

+1 n/t Bonhomme Richard Jun 2013 #14

Your fellow 'shitbag' DUers would be more than happy to believe anything Snowden says... randome Jun 2013 #15

You mean something like this? Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #18

Greenwald & Snowden misinterpreted that. randome Jun 2013 #21

YOUR interpretation is too far-fetched to even qualify as fiction. Divernan Jun 2013 #27

Snowden's claims are more like magical Harry Potter crap. randome Jun 2013 #30

The EU does not formally protest based on Harry Potter Divernan Jun 2013 #42

I think we'll let the diplomats work that out. randome Jun 2013 #46

Tell it to the FISA court that ruled NSA practices unconstitutional KurtNYC Jun 2013 #43

Part of the process. The legal system, for the most part, works. randome Jun 2013 #47

the ruling is secret and the practices ruled unconstitutional are ongoing KurtNYC Jun 2013 #50

I wonder if Congress has any insights on this. randome Jun 2013 #54

Show me which sentence in the article reveals misinterpretation. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #33

I was NOT referring to the article, but to poster Randome's comments. Divernan Jun 2013 #36

The very first bullet point. randome Jun 2013 #37

Top-secret Prism program claims direct access to servers Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #45

This one quotes him. randome Jun 2013 #48

The very first bullet point... is an undeniable fact. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #64

See the link in #48. randome Jun 2013 #76

LOL. Now you're just changing the subject. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #89

its the SCOPE of the warrants not the quantity Monkie Jun 2013 #58

You're talking about the phone metadata. randome Jun 2013 #59

im talking about semantics used to excuses unlimited storage of all data Monkie Jun 2013 #60

We have been 'doomed' since I joined DU in 2001. randome Jun 2013 #63

have you seen and read what rep. Sanchez said after the secret briefing Monkie Jun 2013 #65

Randome can't Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #87

Or I answered it in another thread. I guess we'll never know. randome Jun 2013 #98

Lol, haven't been keeping up with the news again? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #79

It matters not one bit if it's 'old news'. randome Jun 2013 #86

Wake up already...Even The Guardian has walked back Greenwald's (and Snowden's) BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #40

There is no indication in the article that the requested "dropbox" system is the same Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #68

The much vaunted PowerPoint slide shown above proves nothing BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #70

Exactly. So did the original article. That Greenwald made any kind of claims is a lie. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #71

But that doesn't stop Greenwald from conflating BeyondGeography Jun 2013 #72

Huh? He's been critisizing the elimination of privacy since 2005. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #73

Try peddling that to the rest of the world - they're not buying it. Divernan Jun 2013 #20

The metadata is definitely old news. randome Jun 2013 #22

I do some name calling timdog44 Jun 2013 #23

Or, as I like to put it... randome Jun 2013 #28

I like timdog44 Jun 2013 #52

+1. Very sad. allin99 Jun 2013 #32

"savagely" is a bit of a stretch for the pathetic attacks on DU Divernan Jun 2013 #25

I just used the article of the title which focused on the media and pundits Catherina Jun 2013 #82

k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Jun 2013 #26

Wsws speaks for neither liberals nor the working class, lol. nt geek tragedy Jun 2013 #29

This would be sad if it weren't so hilarious. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2013 #35

wsws! LOL!!... SidDithers Jun 2013 #51

k&r Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #56

Thanks for Info and Links....! Good to see so much support. KoKo Jun 2013 #61

The torture of hyperbole continues. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #62

There are no liberal advocates of a police/security state because such a police/security state TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #74

Well said n/t Catherina Jun 2013 #83

817k on petition and growing fast..people worldwide are fed up with this bs..nt xiamiam Jun 2013 #84

"a mass movement in defense of democratic rights." Hello? Zorra Jun 2013 #77

+100000000000000000 Catherina Jun 2013 #88

Yes, we will. I absolutely refuse to die before that. Zorra Jun 2013 #90

The thread title is an oxymoron. nt LWolf Jun 2013 #80

Edward Snowden is a brave bona fide Hero totodeinhere Jun 2013 #85

Truth! I continue to call him a hero too Catherina Jun 2013 #92

I would like to think that I would have done the same thing. totodeinhere Jun 2013 #93

I would like to think so too but it's easier thought than done Catherina Jun 2013 #96

Back in the olden days... ReRe Jun 2013 #91

That is exactly what it feels like BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #104

my ignore list has quadrupled since this story hit the fan carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #105

I have great appreciation for people showing principle BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #107

Me too. n/t ReRe Jun 2013 #109

the petition which you posted is blowing my mind xiamiam Jun 2013 #99

The concept of liberal advocates of a police state is oxymoronic on its face indepat Jun 2013 #100

Not really Socialistlemur Jun 2013 #103

THak GOD he has Larry Klayman on his side JI7 Jun 2013 #106

I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING JI7 Jun 2013 #111

It is the solemn duty of the working class to come to his defense. -nt- b.durruti Jun 2013 #113

Well to be fair, as soon as his name came out, people were calling him a hero treestar Jun 2013 #114