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muriel_volestrangler

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95. Yes, that's a significant part of the question - how much data was transferred
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 07:45 AM
Jun 2013

to where the NSA or other government agencies can copy it or examine it at their leisure? The WP wrote:

According to a more precise description contained in a classified NSA inspector general’s report, also obtained by The Post, PRISM allows “collection managers (to send) content tasking instructions directly to equipment installed at company-controlled locations,” rather than directly to company servers. The companies cannot see the queries that are sent from the NSA to the systems installed on their premises, according to sources familiar with the PRISM process.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-company-officials-internet-surveillance-does-not-indiscriminately-mine-data/2013/06/08/5b3bb234-d07d-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story_1.html


if we assume that's the truth (and, remembering that James Clapper lied to Congress about this, any statement meant for public consumption by anyone should be held to be only possibly true), then that equipment, although at service provider locations, is controlled by the government. How much data is fed into it from the service providers, and what controls that - a FISA court ruling for each transfer of data, or a general 'approved process'? How big is that transfer of data - "everything that involves a user with a 51% or greater chance of being foreign", or just data that involves named userids on the service provider's system?

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"whether Greenwald was deliberately vague, or whether he didn’t bother to attain more..... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #1
Word Salad Aerows Jun 2013 #50
Wait Aerows Jun 2013 #61
Exactly...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #94
so the "direct access to servers" claim is bogus. What else is bogus? n/t IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2013 #2
back in the real world people use FTP to directly access servers Monkie Jun 2013 #11
back in my real world all FTP is SFTP and on a junk server IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2013 #21
of course you are right in what you say, especially about non-tech writers Monkie Jun 2013 #39
I normally lurk and don't post often, but in this case the early sensationalizing (on many sides) IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2013 #85
Take it up with the NSA because it was their claim, not the Guardian's. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #31
Interesting, Ma'am The Magistrate Jun 2013 #3
What a slanted story... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #4
It wasn't at all a fail. Occulus Jun 2013 #6
Want me to mail the jury results to you? pintobean Jun 2013 #15
Oh NO! Negative comments from anonymous jurors! Occulus Jun 2013 #16
Yeah, I know you don't care. pintobean Jun 2013 #23
Instead of trying to needle me with sad little emo high-schooler one-liners, how about you Occulus Jun 2013 #36
Looks like ProSense Jun 2013 #40
That, after "I could not possibly care less" pintobean Jun 2013 #42
This is known as an attempt at public shaming. Occulus Jun 2013 #44
No, this is public shaming: pintobean Jun 2013 #53
Uh-huh Occulus Jun 2013 #69
. ProSense Jun 2013 #71
+1 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2013 #79
rofl Bobbie Jo Jun 2013 #89
Hahaha... SidDithers Jun 2013 #96
in a discussion relating to secret interpretations of laws relating to the surveillance of millions Monkie Jun 2013 #43
Here's the thing. Occulus Jun 2013 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author JTFrog Jun 2013 #49
it just creeped me out, i dont even get the sidetrack in the discussion Monkie Jun 2013 #83
I'm not on your jury blacklist? pintobean Jun 2013 #91
Also, please don't call me pinto pintobean Jun 2013 #98
I'll come out of the closet on this one... Agschmid Jun 2013 #97
To someone just reading through this thread... one_voice Jun 2013 #48
now you've asked for it Rise Rebel Resist Jun 2013 #8
Links full of strawmen... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #9
That's not "tainted" that's an ugly fact. Cha Jun 2013 #20
More conjecture... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #26
Aren't you the good little greenwald soldier. Cha Jun 2013 #32
I love it when "I can't believe it's not butter" tastes like butter! Occulus Jun 2013 #37
Aren't YOU the good little.... Cooley Hurd Jun 2013 #45
Nothing Authoritarian about it. but, you knew that. Cha Jun 2013 #52
Both the Post and the Guardian walked back their initial reporting Number23 Jun 2013 #5
do you know anything about technology? Monkie Jun 2013 #7
Good to see that the guardian has integrity. They had me worried for a bit. BenzoDia Jun 2013 #10
It's like night and day between what they reported and the facts. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #12
More lies from ProSense. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #13
More idiotic comments from morons. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #19
If the NSA can get into the dropbox, they can get into the entire server. Laelth Jun 2013 #14
Google claims data given to NSA via secure FTP, by hand ProSense Jun 2013 #17
I am certain they claim that. Laelth Jun 2013 #22
The article ProSense Jun 2013 #28
Some of us are unconvinced by links to birdcage liners Occulus Jun 2013 #47
. ProSense Jun 2013 #51
someone needs to explain a dropbox to you. nt galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #18
Someone needs to explain a political discussion board to you. Cha Jun 2013 #24
Someone needs to explain facts to you. Still ProSense Jun 2013 #25
Direct Access to all the data requested via remote scp/sftp bobduca Jun 2013 #54
k now i have some time to educate. galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #64
Wow, ProSense Jun 2013 #73
sloppy technology reporting, yes. lack of understanding of how "sandboxing" data works galileoreloaded Jun 2013 #80
Nope, they didn't. The original reporting was correct... from the same Guadian article. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #27
That was the ProSense Jun 2013 #30
Then take it up with the NSA. And this is the organization that we are supposed to Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #38
you want Greenwald not to be a liar so damned bad. but you're going to be disappointed. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #58
Take it up with the NSA. Luminous Animal Jun 2013 #78
I think Greenwald's trip to Hong Kong was probably to ask Snowden, "What the hell?!" randome Jun 2013 #29
or to ask: Got room for me? n/t Whisp Jun 2013 #35
^Post of the Day^ Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #87
but that fake AP scandal will make that harder. Whisp Jun 2013 #88
This reeks of desperation. bvar22 Jun 2013 #33
Speaking of ProSense Jun 2013 #34
direct or indirect... its a semantic difference bobduca Jun 2013 #59
Hey ProSense Jun 2013 #60
It was english, but about Computers ! bobduca Jun 2013 #62
"translate it into "obsequious toady". bvar22 Jun 2013 #65
Speaking of "desperation," there you are. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #67
"Desperate" is Making Stuff Up, and Posting it at DU. bvar22 Jun 2013 #72
Um ProSense Jun 2013 #76
Gosh, Pro. bvar22 Jun 2013 #84
Gee, ProSense Jun 2013 #86
Oh my ProSense Jun 2013 #66
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #68
No, ProSense Jun 2013 #74
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Oh, don't go away mad because your argument failed. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #77
So you're saying you don't know enough about computers to take part in this conversation muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #93
yep stupidicus Jun 2013 #63
Don't confuse me with facts my mind is made up Progressive dog Jun 2013 #41
Progressive 'dog' with a kitty? Yeah, we'll believe that. Tell us another one. randome Jun 2013 #92
well thank goodness we closed down meta Aerows Jun 2013 #55
I know that Greenwald is a bit exorcised over journalistic malfeasance these days. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #56
The Truth was just not big enough news for Glen Greenwald. So he made it be. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #57
Leaker's Ties to China Probed ProSense Jun 2013 #70
It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference how they transferred the information unless GoneFishin Jun 2013 #81
Yes, that's a significant part of the question - how much data was transferred muriel_volestrangler Jun 2013 #95
Glenn Greenwald's 'Epic Botch'? ProSense Jun 2013 #82
That's the Guardian and the WaPo walking back and Greenwald Cha Jun 2013 #90
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