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In reply to the discussion: Guardian "walked back the 'direct access' claim made in Greenwald’s original article" [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(106,249 posts)95. Yes, that's a significant part of the question - how much data was transferred
to where the NSA or other government agencies can copy it or examine it at their leisure? The WP wrote:
According to a more precise description contained in a classified NSA inspector generals report, also obtained by The Post, PRISM allows collection managers (to send) content tasking instructions directly to equipment installed at company-controlled locations, rather than directly to company servers. The companies cannot see the queries that are sent from the NSA to the systems installed on their premises, according to sources familiar with the PRISM process.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-company-officials-internet-surveillance-does-not-indiscriminately-mine-data/2013/06/08/5b3bb234-d07d-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story_1.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-company-officials-internet-surveillance-does-not-indiscriminately-mine-data/2013/06/08/5b3bb234-d07d-11e2-9f1a-1a7cdee20287_story_1.html
if we assume that's the truth (and, remembering that James Clapper lied to Congress about this, any statement meant for public consumption by anyone should be held to be only possibly true), then that equipment, although at service provider locations, is controlled by the government. How much data is fed into it from the service providers, and what controls that - a FISA court ruling for each transfer of data, or a general 'approved process'? How big is that transfer of data - "everything that involves a user with a 51% or greater chance of being foreign", or just data that involves named userids on the service provider's system?
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Guardian "walked back the 'direct access' claim made in Greenwald’s original article" [View all]
ProSense
Jun 2013
OP
"whether Greenwald was deliberately vague, or whether he didn’t bother to attain more.....
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2013
#1
so the "direct access to servers" claim is bogus. What else is bogus? n/t
IllinoisBirdWatcher
Jun 2013
#2
I normally lurk and don't post often, but in this case the early sensationalizing (on many sides)
IllinoisBirdWatcher
Jun 2013
#85
Take it up with the NSA because it was their claim, not the Guardian's.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#31
Instead of trying to needle me with sad little emo high-schooler one-liners, how about you
Occulus
Jun 2013
#36
in a discussion relating to secret interpretations of laws relating to the surveillance of millions
Monkie
Jun 2013
#43
sloppy technology reporting, yes. lack of understanding of how "sandboxing" data works
galileoreloaded
Jun 2013
#80
Nope, they didn't. The original reporting was correct... from the same Guadian article.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#27
Then take it up with the NSA. And this is the organization that we are supposed to
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#38
you want Greenwald not to be a liar so damned bad. but you're going to be disappointed.
MjolnirTime
Jun 2013
#58
I think Greenwald's trip to Hong Kong was probably to ask Snowden, "What the hell?!"
randome
Jun 2013
#29
So you're saying you don't know enough about computers to take part in this conversation
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#93
I know that Greenwald is a bit exorcised over journalistic malfeasance these days.
OilemFirchen
Jun 2013
#56
The Truth was just not big enough news for Glen Greenwald. So he made it be.
MjolnirTime
Jun 2013
#57
It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference how they transferred the information unless
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#81
Yes, that's a significant part of the question - how much data was transferred
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2013
#95