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In reply to the discussion: Caught on video: Horrifying proof that Libya's freedom fighters have turned into brutal torturers [View all]joshcryer
(62,536 posts)88. No, he did not. That is simply false, total revisionism.
Please do not revise history when you cannot back it up with facts.
You are trumpeting an anti-Obama view that Obama flip flopped on humanitarian interventions, he did not. I already established that. You have provided no evidence to the contrary, and I don't expect you to.
The quote you are talking about from 2007 is:
The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.
Yes, he flip flopped on that, marginally. (His lawyers decided he didn't, the congress decided to not do shit about it, so it was a wash.)
Otherwise, you are completely off base and your criticism does not rest in reality.
Obama Calls for Unilateral War Against Pakistan
"Let me make this clear," Obama said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. "There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
Obama campaigned as a pro-war candidate, he was always going to do what he did.
FYI I disagree with Obama's drone wars and his answering the Libyan call for help was merely an accident of history. China and Russia could've just as easily vetoed it, and it would not have been "not all bad." The outcome would've still been similar, lots of chaos and dead in the streets.
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Caught on video: Horrifying proof that Libya's freedom fighters have turned into brutal torturers [View all]
David__77
Feb 2012
OP
It fixed everything we wanted fixed, the existing tax structure for oil exlporation and production.
Arctic Dave
Feb 2012
#3
You mean the tax structure that robbed all oil revenue from the Libyan people?
TheWraith
Feb 2012
#4
Do we really have to go through this again? Did you not learn your lesson last time?
Arctic Dave
Feb 2012
#75
I would have thought you would have learned your lesson last time we went around on this.
Arctic Dave
Feb 2012
#77
Obama has always been pro-intervention, he was against unilaterally using power...
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#67
And yet, that position does not suggest that he "opposed it" as you falsely claimed.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#94
I'm going to end this conversation because it is the second time you have reverted to
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#95
Her intentions are good? Don't kid yourself. Having observed pattern of her posting here -
Fool Count
Feb 2012
#102
So, actions of a few can be applied to a whole group if there's a mass insurgency or violent unrest.
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#36
My chief criticism is against those who support US military intervention in other countries.
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#46
Did you know that there are some ex-freedom fighters who are protecting the Tawerga in Libya?
tabatha
Feb 2012
#2
You're still defending these people, not only after their abuses have become plain
EFerrari
Feb 2012
#39
Do you give South African whites the pass on apartheid as you did Germans vis a vis Nazism? nt
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#48
BTW, I was arrested demonstrating for divestment from the Apartheid govt. of S. Africa. nt
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#66
Yes, it is funny how some people here are unwittingly mimicking the pro-apartheid people.
tabatha
Feb 2012
#30
Militias from Benghazi and Zintan are trying to protect a refugee camp of 1,500 people
tabatha
Feb 2012
#6
Actually more judging of American people for the actions of their government would be a good thing.
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#10
The book in question, if I am not wrong, does not absolve the German people either.
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#97
Yes, any pro-Gaddafi force that took part in atrocities of their own free will are guilty.
tabatha
Feb 2012
#24
Well, we did probably pay them to sit back and whack Ghadafi and his family. Not sure why. n/t
Leopolds Ghost
Feb 2012
#13
Systematic abuse of detainees has been reported at a number of facilities, unfortunately.
EFerrari
Feb 2012
#45
It is how I judge how prepared they are to set up a good, mature political system.
Bonobo
Feb 2012
#64
1) a peoples are not represented by their fighters 2) fighters do not represent the sole source...
joshcryer
Feb 2012
#79
You're not alone, fortunately. And now it seems the rest of the world is resisting it also.
sabrina 1
Feb 2012
#98