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DesMoinesDem

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17. Your same old neocon talking points are old, old, old.

Fri Jun 14, 2013, 12:08 PM

Jun 2013

Can't you think of any relevant or rational arguments? I'm sure Karl Rove and Ari Fleischer have some new talking points that you could use.

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The Sickening Snowden Backlash [View all] DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 OP

du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #1

That is why he should have remained hidden if he really wanted the NSA to be the story. This will still_one Jun 2013 #2

that's not why... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #3

Those are two different issues. Even though I agree philosophically with you, if he faced the still_one Jun 2013 #4

and this is why it is not just a smearing of Snowden and Greenwald VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #60

He still has more to tell, or so the story goes. reusrename Jun 2013 #88

No one has said that it does...but there are flaws in the story line that you and others swallowed VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #89

It's true, I think he's a hero. I think that particular question has been determined. reusrename Jun 2013 #100

Proof please.....have you seen evidence yet? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #104

The Verizon warrant. reusrename Jun 2013 #105

and that proves what? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #106

I know it happens all the time, reusrename Jun 2013 #109

How do those things prove Snowden a Hero as YOU called him... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #107

It is sad that his actions were heroic and not just normal everyday behavior. reusrename Jun 2013 #111

No a hero doesn't run....a hero stands up for what he believes... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #116

A person, hero or not, can make this decision on their own. It's called freedom. reusrename Jun 2013 #117

No I don't think you are right....How on F'ng earth could you possibly for one second... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #118

It's the opposite. I examine behavior. That's all. reusrename Jun 2013 #119

WTH??? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #120

My nephew's posse were all huge fans of "that guy." reusrename Jun 2013 #121

If he just allowed himself to be arrested DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #7

+1 BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #32

Did we hear Muhammed Ali (aka Cassius Clay) after he was jailed VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #90

+1 JoeyT Jun 2013 #123

do you feel the same about Manning? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #8

I have not proclaimed anything about Manning yet... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #92

How stupid do you think Snowden is? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #97

K&R me b zola Jun 2013 #5

A familiar phenomenon. They "looked the other way." While the whistleblowers didn't. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #6

He's sitting in Hong Kong with thousands of classified documents pnwmom Jun 2013 #9

He probably doesn't know either. He probably still has that red hood over his face. randome Jun 2013 #11

Red Smears are despicable BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #33

I am not part of whatever "the BOrG" is and I don't know what "the BOrG" thinks about anything. pnwmom Jun 2013 #66

And yet you never question that a private contractor BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #70

I don't believe Snowden that he had the access he claimed -- including access pnwmom Jun 2013 #72

China Daily editorial 'toon.. Cha Jun 2013 #115

Are we talking about Ed "I'm-not-trying-to-hide-from-justice" Snowden? randome Jun 2013 #10

Your same old neocon talking points are old, old, old. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #17

Well, you don't seem to be downloading the relevant and rational so I may as well mock. randome Jun 2013 #20

You're fooling yourself if you think ANY of that is true. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #29

But you'll believe anything you hear from Snowden. randome Jun 2013 #41

You're OK with secret laws, I take it? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #65

What secret laws? Are you concerned that the FISA court meets in secret? randome Jun 2013 #69

Secret laws. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #71

Don't we all interpret the law in different ways? randome Jun 2013 #73

This isn't about interpreting the law differently MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

And you believe anything Ari Fleischer tells you? He agrees with you on all of this btw. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #84

By your logic then, there is nothing to sell to the Chinese BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #34

Snowden claims to have 'thousands' of documents. randome Jun 2013 #40

Here is a direct quote from you BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #44

No one's talking about the metadata. randome Jun 2013 #45

They are sharing it with other countries so they can spy too! BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #46

Sharing anything with other countries is, indeed, worrisome. randome Jun 2013 #52

Wow. Those are the talking points they gave you? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #48

Good luck hitching your wagon to Snowden & Greenwald. randome Jun 2013 #55

Have fun defending the NSA with your neocon pals. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #56

Showing us evidence is what they're trying to do BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #59

It's been a week now and...nothing. randome Jun 2013 #62

Back to the beginning of your argument BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #63

"Hong Kong Eddie" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #68

He's wheeling and dealing secrets with the Chinese to avoid jail. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Jun 2013 #16

Snowden has committed treason to a tyrannical government The Second Stone Jun 2013 #13

Treason is well-defined in the Constitution, and what he did ain't it. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #30

Yes, and the fact that high-level people throw around that word BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #35

especially when it is a bipartisan effort, with Feinstein and Boehner showing their ignorance carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #86

It is trying to make "traitor" synonymous with Enemy of the Rich & Powerful BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #91

k&r! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #14

There has not been anything presented which trust should place trust in Edward Snowden. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #15

You mean like Thomas Frank and Wiebbe before him? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #18

Having worked under a Code of Ethics it does not make sense. I understand reasons not to reveal Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #22

Well, there is waste, fraud, abuse nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #23

Snowden does not get to decide for us what is constitutional or not. randome Jun 2013 #24

Right. A FISA court gets to decide what is unconstitutional and they DID. KurtNYC Jun 2013 #37

Better a FISA court that's reviewed by both Congress and the Executive branches... randome Jun 2013 #43

Youre so far from any type of common sense darkangel218 Jun 2013 #53

Do you believe it is waste, fraud and abuse by what Snowden has presented? If so, he has Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #27

It's not about Snowden nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

Do you trust the information he has supplied? He also signed on Code of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #75

Well, the administration has pretty much admitted nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #77

flawed logic azoazo Jun 2013 #95

welcome to DU! TeamPooka Jun 2013 #122

Well, he's the one going to prison, so it is about Snowden. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #82

You mean like Bienne and Wiebbe? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #83

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #31

Kirsten Powers OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #19

The emoticon map has missed you. Give in. Give in! randome Jun 2013 #25

K&R KoKo Jun 2013 #21

Kirsten Powers often sees things the way I see them Enrique Jun 2013 #26

that politico article was so ugly. most obvious smear piece ever. and some of the ugliest classism.. allin99 Jun 2013 #47

That is how they view everyone outside their bubble, she's dead on. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #49

Well written, intelligent article. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #36

As a trasher, I'm trying to decide which I am, a "D.C. bureaucrat" or a "media ally." Plus,sincerely UTUSN Jun 2013 #38

You cannot stand with this authoritarian monstrosity and call yourself progressive. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #98

Lots of the same people frothing at the mouth over him would be cheering him if forestpath Jun 2013 #39

Of no concern. Greenwald just reaffirmed he stands by all his reporting, and more is on the way. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #42

It must really irk them that some great liberal voices are Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #50

They'll continue to say all sorts of things DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #54

Kirsten Powers of FAUX News? One of the 99 Jun 2013 #51

NSA SamKnause Jun 2013 #57

There's an important broader story here about the growing propaganda state. woo me with science Jun 2013 #58

+++++++++++++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #61

I wish there were a forum where we could discuss this without having to swat away the gnats. reformist2 Jun 2013 #64

There are protected places. Try the BOG. It would be logical Autumn Jun 2013 #67

Yep... Damned Tiring... WillyT Jun 2013 #79

Now reaching one third of all American zeeland Jun 2013 #80

Meh. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen treestar Jun 2013 #76

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #78

Kristen Powers from Faux Snooze wrote this tripe. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #81

perfect username carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #87

That canard is so old, that it doesn't even get under my skin anymore. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #99

What a perfectly ironic post. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #108

No, rather it was the content, the author, and the garbage in the article. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #110

Nope. You attacked it because of the author. It had nothing to do with the content. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #112

So, the newb from Iowa loves him some Faux Snooze. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #113

Still not able to address the content of the article? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #114

Wow. Didn't know that. Thanks! That explains a lot Number23 Jun 2013 #94

Nice and Informative post from "Daily Beast!" KoKo Jun 2013 #85

Feinstein, Boehner, Brooks, and Cohen fujiyama Jun 2013 #93

The real traitors lied America into war. Octafish Jun 2013 #96

This is from a Faux Dem. DCBob Jun 2013 #101

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #102

K&R. James Bamford has a much more measured analysis than those slamming Snowden. Overseas Jun 2013 #103