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BrotherIvan

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Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:28 PM

Jun 2013

It's so funny that so many here expect him to lay down his life in order to be believed. Newsflash: the administration is not denying it. Difi and Boener already knew about it. THEY'RE JUST PISSED THAT WE KNOW ABOUT IT.

And isnt' the talking point supposed to be,

"We've known about this since 2006."

"This is a non-story because Bush started it."

And, "It's legal!!!"

If so, how is Snowden a traitor?

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The Sickening Snowden Backlash [View all] DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 OP

du rec. xchrom Jun 2013 #1

That is why he should have remained hidden if he really wanted the NSA to be the story. This will still_one Jun 2013 #2

that's not why... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #3

Those are two different issues. Even though I agree philosophically with you, if he faced the still_one Jun 2013 #4

and this is why it is not just a smearing of Snowden and Greenwald VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #60

He still has more to tell, or so the story goes. reusrename Jun 2013 #88

No one has said that it does...but there are flaws in the story line that you and others swallowed VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #89

It's true, I think he's a hero. I think that particular question has been determined. reusrename Jun 2013 #100

Proof please.....have you seen evidence yet? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #104

The Verizon warrant. reusrename Jun 2013 #105

and that proves what? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #106

I know it happens all the time, reusrename Jun 2013 #109

How do those things prove Snowden a Hero as YOU called him... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #107

It is sad that his actions were heroic and not just normal everyday behavior. reusrename Jun 2013 #111

No a hero doesn't run....a hero stands up for what he believes... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #116

A person, hero or not, can make this decision on their own. It's called freedom. reusrename Jun 2013 #117

No I don't think you are right....How on F'ng earth could you possibly for one second... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #118

It's the opposite. I examine behavior. That's all. reusrename Jun 2013 #119

WTH??? VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #120

My nephew's posse were all huge fans of "that guy." reusrename Jun 2013 #121

If he just allowed himself to be arrested DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #7

+1 BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #32

Did we hear Muhammed Ali (aka Cassius Clay) after he was jailed VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #90

+1 JoeyT Jun 2013 #123

do you feel the same about Manning? backwoodsbob Jun 2013 #8

I have not proclaimed anything about Manning yet... VanillaRhapsody Jun 2013 #92

How stupid do you think Snowden is? backscatter712 Jun 2013 #97

K&R me b zola Jun 2013 #5

A familiar phenomenon. They "looked the other way." While the whistleblowers didn't. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2013 #6

He's sitting in Hong Kong with thousands of classified documents pnwmom Jun 2013 #9

He probably doesn't know either. He probably still has that red hood over his face. randome Jun 2013 #11

Red Smears are despicable BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #33

I am not part of whatever "the BOrG" is and I don't know what "the BOrG" thinks about anything. pnwmom Jun 2013 #66

And yet you never question that a private contractor BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #70

I don't believe Snowden that he had the access he claimed -- including access pnwmom Jun 2013 #72

China Daily editorial 'toon.. Cha Jun 2013 #115

Are we talking about Ed "I'm-not-trying-to-hide-from-justice" Snowden? randome Jun 2013 #10

Your same old neocon talking points are old, old, old. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #17

Well, you don't seem to be downloading the relevant and rational so I may as well mock. randome Jun 2013 #20

You're fooling yourself if you think ANY of that is true. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #29

But you'll believe anything you hear from Snowden. randome Jun 2013 #41

You're OK with secret laws, I take it? MNBrewer Jun 2013 #65

What secret laws? Are you concerned that the FISA court meets in secret? randome Jun 2013 #69

Secret laws. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #71

Don't we all interpret the law in different ways? randome Jun 2013 #73

This isn't about interpreting the law differently MNBrewer Jun 2013 #74

And you believe anything Ari Fleischer tells you? He agrees with you on all of this btw. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #84

By your logic then, there is nothing to sell to the Chinese BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #34

Snowden claims to have 'thousands' of documents. randome Jun 2013 #40

Here is a direct quote from you BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #44

No one's talking about the metadata. randome Jun 2013 #45

They are sharing it with other countries so they can spy too! BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #46

Sharing anything with other countries is, indeed, worrisome. randome Jun 2013 #52

Wow. Those are the talking points they gave you? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #48

Good luck hitching your wagon to Snowden & Greenwald. randome Jun 2013 #55

Have fun defending the NSA with your neocon pals. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #56

Showing us evidence is what they're trying to do BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #59

It's been a week now and...nothing. randome Jun 2013 #62

Back to the beginning of your argument BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #63

"Hong Kong Eddie" Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #68

He's wheeling and dealing secrets with the Chinese to avoid jail. CakeGrrl Jun 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author G_j Jun 2013 #16

Snowden has committed treason to a tyrannical government The Second Stone Jun 2013 #13

Treason is well-defined in the Constitution, and what he did ain't it. MNBrewer Jun 2013 #30

Yes, and the fact that high-level people throw around that word BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #35

especially when it is a bipartisan effort, with Feinstein and Boehner showing their ignorance carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #86

It is trying to make "traitor" synonymous with Enemy of the Rich & Powerful BrotherIvan Jun 2013 #91

k&r! Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #14

There has not been anything presented which trust should place trust in Edward Snowden. Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #15

You mean like Thomas Frank and Wiebbe before him? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #18

Having worked under a Code of Ethics it does not make sense. I understand reasons not to reveal Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #22

Well, there is waste, fraud, abuse nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #23

Snowden does not get to decide for us what is constitutional or not. randome Jun 2013 #24

Right. A FISA court gets to decide what is unconstitutional and they DID. KurtNYC Jun 2013 #37

Better a FISA court that's reviewed by both Congress and the Executive branches... randome Jun 2013 #43

Youre so far from any type of common sense darkangel218 Jun 2013 #53

Do you believe it is waste, fraud and abuse by what Snowden has presented? If so, he has Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #27

It's not about Snowden nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #28

Do you trust the information he has supplied? He also signed on Code of Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #75

Well, the administration has pretty much admitted nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #77

flawed logic azoazo Jun 2013 #95

welcome to DU! TeamPooka Jun 2013 #122

Well, he's the one going to prison, so it is about Snowden. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #82

You mean like Bienne and Wiebbe? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #83

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #31

Kirsten Powers OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #19

The emoticon map has missed you. Give in. Give in! randome Jun 2013 #25

K&R KoKo Jun 2013 #21

Kirsten Powers often sees things the way I see them Enrique Jun 2013 #26

that politico article was so ugly. most obvious smear piece ever. and some of the ugliest classism.. allin99 Jun 2013 #47

That is how they view everyone outside their bubble, she's dead on. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #49

Well written, intelligent article. JDPriestly Jun 2013 #36

As a trasher, I'm trying to decide which I am, a "D.C. bureaucrat" or a "media ally." Plus,sincerely UTUSN Jun 2013 #38

You cannot stand with this authoritarian monstrosity and call yourself progressive. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #98

Lots of the same people frothing at the mouth over him would be cheering him if forestpath Jun 2013 #39

Of no concern. Greenwald just reaffirmed he stands by all his reporting, and more is on the way. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #42

It must really irk them that some great liberal voices are Puzzledtraveller Jun 2013 #50

They'll continue to say all sorts of things DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #54

Kirsten Powers of FAUX News? One of the 99 Jun 2013 #51

NSA SamKnause Jun 2013 #57

There's an important broader story here about the growing propaganda state. woo me with science Jun 2013 #58

+++++++++++++ marions ghost Jun 2013 #61

I wish there were a forum where we could discuss this without having to swat away the gnats. reformist2 Jun 2013 #64

There are protected places. Try the BOG. It would be logical Autumn Jun 2013 #67

Yep... Damned Tiring... WillyT Jun 2013 #79

Now reaching one third of all American zeeland Jun 2013 #80

Meh. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen treestar Jun 2013 #76

K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #78

Kristen Powers from Faux Snooze wrote this tripe. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #81

perfect username carolinayellowdog Jun 2013 #87

That canard is so old, that it doesn't even get under my skin anymore. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #99

What a perfectly ironic post. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #108

No, rather it was the content, the author, and the garbage in the article. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #110

Nope. You attacked it because of the author. It had nothing to do with the content. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #112

So, the newb from Iowa loves him some Faux Snooze. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #113

Still not able to address the content of the article? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #114

Wow. Didn't know that. Thanks! That explains a lot Number23 Jun 2013 #94

Nice and Informative post from "Daily Beast!" KoKo Jun 2013 #85

Feinstein, Boehner, Brooks, and Cohen fujiyama Jun 2013 #93

The real traitors lied America into war. Octafish Jun 2013 #96

This is from a Faux Dem. DCBob Jun 2013 #101

k and r nashville_brook Jun 2013 #102

K&R. James Bamford has a much more measured analysis than those slamming Snowden. Overseas Jun 2013 #103