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JimDandy

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52. This isn't about Snowden/Greenwald,

Fri Jun 14, 2013, 01:51 PM

Jun 2013

and it isn't about Republicans out to get Obama...it's about our government spying on us, in secrecy, against our constitutional rights. Don't conflate a trip to Africa with the NSA's horrible, immoral, illegal, disgusting spying on all Americans.

There's NOT ONE single person here on the ground that I've talked to about the NSA spying who isn't up in arms about it...dems, repubs, independents...no matter their political persuasion they are all wanting the Patriot Act dismantled and the NSA curtailed. Only one of those people actually said the "I've got nothing to hide" meme initially and, when it was explained more thoroughly what the NSA has been doing, that person dropped the meme like a hot potato.

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As Snowden & Geenwald's story falls apart, the GOP has their next scandal lined up. [View all] FSogol Jun 2013 OP

wow. it says alot about YOU that you cali Jun 2013 #1

Yeah, something is pathetic alright. FSogol Jun 2013 #6

You forgot to mention that they're free to do as they please with that data. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #12

Free, as long as they get a warrant from the FISA court. You know, like the law stipulates. FSogol Jun 2013 #13

A warrant? Some of those entities have their own rubber stamps. They can do their own "warrant" when RC Jun 2013 #26

of the 1800+ FISA requests submitted last year, how many were denied? ZERO.. frylock Jun 2013 #36

How many non-FISA search warrants were turned down? jeff47 Jun 2013 #42

Doesn't all that "massive surveillance" data show up on my monthly MattBaggins Jun 2013 #24

So you didn't call him cupcake or dearie� but you did say he had serious brain damage. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #79

Keeping that database is not surveillance treestar Jun 2013 #81

Oh and grab a clue cali Jun 2013 #2

Whatevers. Your passive-aggressive insults are laughable. FSogol Jun 2013 #9

Cali is correct that this story is NOT about Greenwald and Snowden. If you are including yourself truth2power Jun 2013 #32

the GOP has Obama's back on Snowden Enrique Jun 2013 #3

My eyes on are the trial of the cold blooded gun / bullet owner Zimmy killing Mr. Trayvon Martin graham4anything Jun 2013 #5

The only good thing about all this crap thrown at the President is, the Next President(HIllary/Cory) graham4anything Jun 2013 #4

I find your idea intriguing and I would MattBaggins Jun 2013 #25

People said the same thing about 2008. How'd that work out? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2013 #43

Say it is a football game graham4anything Jun 2013 #55

Yeah NSA will fall apart, after all the 4th amendment is so passe Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #7

Huh? I said the faux scandal will blow away. We're stuck with the NSA forever. FSogol Jun 2013 #11

Hmm ok, the title just seems to read wrong...my misintretation Katashi_itto Jun 2013 #29

Yep, only nut cases on the "far 'left'" care about the East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #8

and some only care about rat fucking. FSogol Jun 2013 #10

Many of the people you accuse of only caring about rat fucking East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #14

But then according to them they stayed home in 2010. treestar Jun 2013 #87

There aren't enough DUers to swing key districts. East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #88

We care but have a sense of proportion treestar Jun 2013 #83

Yes, some people are way over the top, East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #85

Welcome To The "Scandal" Fatigue Game... KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #15

Exactly. The main goal, imo, is to suppress Democratic voting in 2014. n/t FSogol Jun 2013 #16

It's "We May Suck..." KharmaTrain Jun 2013 #17

good reminder nt flamingdem Jun 2013 #46

So the NSA (via paid spooks) hasn't been collecting said data... 99Forever Jun 2013 #18

So, absolutely no US laws exist other than the Constitution? FSogol Jun 2013 #19

As expected. 99Forever Jun 2013 #21

There are plenty of laws that are wrong. However, until the are changed or work thru the courts FSogol Jun 2013 #23

So you agree with the Citizen United ruling, eh? 99Forever Jun 2013 #27

How could you possibly read that into what I wrote? FSogol Jun 2013 #28

Since our government has to first SEIZE our phone data JimDandy Jun 2013 #53

that paragraph has been interpreted extensively treestar Jun 2013 #84

Which of those things do you think they've been searching or seizing without a warrant? bornskeptic Jun 2013 #51

I've had more intelligent and honest conversations... 99Forever Jun 2013 #78

That particular criticism of the President is lame beyond belief. Laelth Jun 2013 #20

Let's wait and see. On edit... FSogol Jun 2013 #22

What are talking about? sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #30

Hah! They already have my post! FSogol Jun 2013 #31

The NSA can see our thoughts forming as they occur, according to Snowden. randome Jun 2013 #33

That's Right! sulphurdunn Jun 2013 #34

the GOP supports the surveillance program. why do you continue to post this crap? frylock Jun 2013 #35

they should jump on the State Dept sexual assault/pedophile cover up. Whisp Jun 2013 #37

It's weird because many in the GOP are supporting the Administration hughee99 Jun 2013 #38

pathetic that you think the stories are falling apart xiamiam Jun 2013 #39

I have been hoping for many years now... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #40

Excellent post! n/t JimDandy Jun 2013 #56

My reports? FSogol Jun 2013 #59

Honey, if that's all you've got... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #73

Honey? FSogol Jun 2013 #74

Yes, it's a term of endearment... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #75

Pretty insulting, imo. FSogol Jun 2013 #76

I don't think it rises to insulting... ljm2002 Jun 2013 #77

Yup, falling appart nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #41

Isn't East County Magazine owned by the Koch Brothers? FSogol Jun 2013 #45

Nope nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #49

Word salad! I have no idea what you are trying to say. FSogol Jun 2013 #57

Rather I pretend not to understand. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #58

I got the 1st part. Everything after that is a nonsensical jumble of words. FSogol Jun 2013 #60

Of course it is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #61

Oath to the Constitution? Huh? FSogol Jun 2013 #62

Yup, imagine that nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #63

You claim to have said an oath to the Constitution. What are you talking about? FSogol Jun 2013 #64

Naturalized citizens do nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #65

Got it. If it takes 2 posts to explain one simple thing, I'll just FSogol Jun 2013 #66

Of course, ignore history nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #67

Saying "since 1947" without explaining yourself does not mean I am ignoring history. FSogol Jun 2013 #69

Don't bother reading the link nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #70

Sorry, many better things to read than East County Mag. FSogol Jun 2013 #71

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #72

It's a good god damned thing no one pulled the internet over and gave you two a slap..... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2013 #82

When does the war with North Korea start? Floyd_Gondolli Jun 2013 #48

both parties want to get away from the NSA scandal Enrique Jun 2013 #44

Or Syria nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #50

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2013 #47

This isn't about Snowden/Greenwald, JimDandy Jun 2013 #52

These issues are completely unrelated. In fact, one is a huge issue, and one is no issue at all. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #54

At times like this, the President shouldn't be spending any money taking vacations overseas!!! Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #68

the right will completely overlook: treestar Jun 2013 #80

Ask those fugging ReTHUG scumbags to let us have the cost of all malaise Jun 2013 #86