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Mother Of Four

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Sun Feb 12, 2012, 08:58 AM Feb 2012

My 15 year old daughters reaction to "Laptop dad" [View all]

After reading alot of the replies to other threads about laptop dad, I decided to do something. I showed the video to my two teenage girls (15, 17) with no preamble and then asked them what they thought afterwards. We live in the same state as laptop dad, NC.

What was interesting is neither of my girls even remotely though that him shooting the laptop was a threat against the daughter in question. They thought it was a little bit of overkill, but that it got the message across with finality, that's a collapsed version of what they said last night.

I watched my girls faces as they were looking at the video, eyebrows went up at the "too old to wipe your own a**" comment and some muttering happened. Surprise at the "cleaning lady" comments, and nods to the dad when he was defending said lady.

Both girls were more than willing to talk about it, my 17 year old was mostly shaking her head and saying "Drama much?" then capped it off with "That girl needs to get a serious reality check."

I focused more on my 15 year old, because of the age and she did something very similar to what that girl did. Her's was discovered in a chat record stating that her dad was an arrogant a** and her mother was a controlling b**ch.

What we did:

Removed the laptop from her possesion for two months.

Removed access to any cell phone except mine or her dads, so that we could have a better idea of who she talked to and when.

Removed the priviledge of facebook or any other social networking site until she matured enough to understand that the "internet" is not a privacy safe place. Anything and everything you say or do leaves footprints. It may be mild as a teen, but have have SERIOUS repercussions as an adult. Tenative date is when she turns 16.

The effect it had was to show what controlling could feel like, and it made her take a whole new view on the word.

My 15 yr old is sitting with me as I type this (I typed this out in openoffice before copying it to post), and I looked at her asking her "What would you say about it now that you had the night to think it over?" She said that she feels bad for the girl because she's been where this other girl has been and has had her laptop taken away for two months "I would never repeat it because I learned my lesson. That girl is really stupid for repeating it."

I asked "What do you feel about him shooting it?"

She replied "That she got what she deserved, especially since she called the family friend the cleaning lady. I mean there used to be four kids living here, we each had chores we had to do. Now theres just two of us kids helping with chores. Heck, I'm going to volunteer when I turn 16 to get my liscense, get a job and still finish up school. That girl has it good, she needs to stop complaining. She's lucky she got a laptop to begin with, the only reason I got mine was for XXXXXXXX school I was accepted into." (she said the name, I bleeped it for privacy's sake)

"I mean, she was stupid for trying to block her dad to begin with. He was IT, and he was upgrading her computer so he was going to be digging in her computer anway. No matter how much she wanted her privacy. Heck, most upgrades I ask for are upgrades I need and don't cost alot of money. Um, my laptop isn't that good but I appreciate it. I have a phone, but I only use it for an alarm because the minutes ran out. I don't bug to ask for a new camera or extra minutes and I'm happy with what I got. So she needs to shut her mouth, apologize to her dad and work off her punishment. I worked off my punishment and I turned it right around. " She added as an afterthought "I hate it that I hurt you so bad, I don't ever want to do that again."

(Note here, she did turn her whole attitude around, even loaning her laptop to her brother for AIT. Before all this happened in our family she was secretive and possesive about the laptop. Now, if I ask she just hands it to me and says go for it because she knows I'm checking for her sake and not just mine. Part of it was I let her see just how much her words hurt me, and told her that it broke my heart to know she was talking about us like that to people we welcomed into our home. Her friends. I kept nothing back, not the dissapointment or the tears. I let her see it all.)

I then asked her "There are many adults out there that feel this is abuse...what do you feel about it?"

She replied "That's not abuse, it's just a stupid laptop. It's her own dang fault for putting that rant out there. If people want to see abuse, look it up on the computer but that is not abuse. Wasteful, but not abuse. I feel bad for the whole family because now they have to make up the money lost from the computer. "

I asked "What would YOU have done had you been that dad?"

She replied "I'd have found someone who needed it and given it to them, or I would have kept it myself or pawned it. Cause that computer could be used by someone else, who wouldn't normally be able to afford it. I would have said to that girl "This is a really nice laptop, I feel bad that you aren't mature enough to own it." and then "It's not MY fault that you got it taken away, you were the one that was being disrespectful. So now it can go to people that will treat it with the respect that it deserves."

I asked her "Any other thoughts?" (She was watching me type this, correcting me when needed. She wanted her full thoughts on this out there.)

My 15 year old brought up one thing as well, she mentioned after- that the girl didn't even really take a break between the episodes. She got off grounding, according to her dad recently, and then turned around and posted something else. It makes my youngest wonder, how does she gain the respect she needs to get a laptop? " I'm being serious here, I had to work for it. I don't want it taken away. I don't understand why she's being so hard headed. Families need to share the work to make sure the house stays nice, and kids do chores because it helps them learn how to take care of themselves too. It's important to be part of a team, because especially now you have to rely on others more and more. You don't want to burn your bridges with your parents, look at how many kids are still at home after highschool because they have no money?" (She has the unique perspective of having a 17 sister, 19 brother, 21 brother and seeing how hard it is for the older two has sobered her up to reality.)

So, the reason I'm posting this is to get my 15 year old daughters voice out there on this. A similar situation, for the same aged girl in the same state. Food for thought so to speak.

Thanks for reading.
MoF

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Where I live (Md.), it is definitely against the law Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #1
Way to ignore everything in the post... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #2
Bottom line as far as the law goes. Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #27
What is that law exactly? JSnuffy Feb 2012 #30
Well if you had bothered to read my first post Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #35
In other words... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #43
No you are not correct. He lives in NC. My neighbor got in huge trouble Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #90
I ask again... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #98
Can you comprehend? Reread my original post. Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #104
That's what I thought... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #115
Every county and even city is different. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #102
This message was self-deleted by its author SaintPete Feb 2012 #37
But he was not living in Maryland he was in NC. Drahthaardogs Feb 2012 #57
What do the laws in your state have to do with anything? nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #69
That would be an interesting twist. Cleita Feb 2012 #127
You don't live on the Eastern Shore, do you? 11 Bravo Feb 2012 #187
No. Montgomery County Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #236
Ah, that explains it LibertyLover Feb 2012 #241
Wow, you seem to be saying the county I live in is Communist Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #242
Just repeating the name for Montgomery LibertyLover Feb 2012 #243
Well Tacoma Park--- I can go with you on that one Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #244
pfffft. NYC_SKP Feb 2012 #194
Well, I guess at least a 5$ permit should be required- snooper2 Feb 2012 #228
Your daughter sounds a lot like the daughter of the "Horrible" father. ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #3
Thanks... Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #5
No,that's the asshole dad's version. Swede Feb 2012 #8
so what version of this do you believe? ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #9
Since the daughter has not spoken yet (she's probably terrified) Swede Feb 2012 #13
did you not go to my link that updated the story? ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #14
She thinks the father put a gun to the daughters head... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #17
I think thats what you think... ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #20
Yeah because in abusive families everyone always speaks the truth. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #46
I can guarantee you, ronnie624 Feb 2012 #64
yeah, that idiot deserves everything he's getting boston bean Feb 2012 #157
A gun would NEVER play any part in a diciplinary lesson for my child. ronnie624 Feb 2012 #214
What if the lesson was how to clean your gun properly after they'd failed to do so? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #268
That's one I hadn't thought of. ronnie624 Feb 2012 #269
I read the update. ronnie624 Feb 2012 #61
Oh wow, so this is the Screed against the guy- Kind of sad... snooper2 Feb 2012 #229
That asshole father boston bean Feb 2012 #156
The Homer Simpson approach to parenting. onehandle Feb 2012 #4
No kidding. But two teenagers said what their mother wants to hear EFerrari Feb 2012 #7
Again... GMTA, but you don't need your M to be so G for that one. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #193
LOL EFerrari Feb 2012 #6
How did I say that I don't think what he did was wrong? Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #10
Is your daughter here? EFerrari Feb 2012 #21
No she's not "here" Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #32
I believe I already have. EFerrari Feb 2012 #39
Ok then... Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #40
I made no incorrect assumptions about your OP. EFerrari Feb 2012 #65
Ok whatever... Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #70
It's filtered because she didn't post it, you did. You also wrote it. EFerrari Feb 2012 #95
That is a very important point, I totally agree with that. Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #106
I cannot believe how people can condone what this jerk did. Swede Feb 2012 #11
do you not care what his own daughter thinks? ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #12
That is the asshole dad's version. Swede Feb 2012 #15
hahahaha ok because im sure YOU know the whole situation then, right ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #18
Her dad just shot her computer 8 times. Swede Feb 2012 #19
well if you watched the video you would know it was 9 times... ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #24
Do you know whether they are or not? EFerrari Feb 2012 #34
no but from what I have read, they seem like a typical family that has problems ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #36
"a typical family that has problems" - TBF Feb 2012 #41
and kids can do a lot of stupid shit sometimes trying to prove they are an adult and know ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #42
I raised three children without ever publicly humiliating them on YouTube Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #48
You got physical with them? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #72
on the other hand almost every parent I know has at some time "gotten physical" with their children, Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #81
Seems like you are much worse that this gentleman. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #84
do you have children? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #87
Sure. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #91
Yes, he does. And I am the reincarnation of Mario Lanza. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #132
And you know this how? Puglover Feb 2012 #262
Which base are you referring to? EFerrari Feb 2012 #267
I haven't. TBF Feb 2012 #164
Good for yoU. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #186
If it's just a one-time thing I wouldn't say abuse I guess - TBF Feb 2012 #188
Children do not process thoughts the same way as we do - TBF Feb 2012 #50
Did you join DU just to defend this guy? siligut Feb 2012 #170
You are so right that we never really know what is happening in other families. EFerrari Feb 2012 #44
shooting a laptop is violent? ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #47
Yes. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #49
Of course. EFerrari Feb 2012 #60
Thank you. The issue here isn't that the dad is abusive (which I don't think he is), but that he has Puregonzo1188 Feb 2012 #171
His behavior shows up in every index that professionals give women (ETA) EFerrari Feb 2012 #199
Amen! It is ridiculous to defend what he did with the daughter herself treestar Feb 2012 #183
Double amen! Of course the daughter is going to "condone" it after her dad used his gun to show pacalo Feb 2012 #215
You have no idea what his daughter thinks. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #23
are you one of the people who thinks this will destory her life and she will ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #25
I'm not one of the people who believe this violent asshole's crap, no. EFerrari Feb 2012 #29
oh ok, thanks for clearing that up. ohnoimscared Feb 2012 #33
lol that is just silly - TBF Feb 2012 #51
Do you mean the girl everyone's been touting as a LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #71
Foster care would be a good option for her. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #73
Of course!!! Because LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #89
I said in another thread, CPS should be out there. EFerrari Feb 2012 #16
Foster care would be a good option for her. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #74
That's okay. In a year or so, that kid will run off EFerrari Feb 2012 #107
Or not. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #109
I agree with you Swede, the guy is a bully and mom isn't any better. siligut Feb 2012 #31
"she must obey or other privileges will be taken away from her" Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #76
When expectations are unreasonable? Yes. siligut Feb 2012 #92
I didn't get that at all and he explains it pretty well in the video. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #94
Parents can figure out what goes on in the mind of a 15 yr old all by themselves. siligut Feb 2012 #108
Yeah as soon as I saw the belt buckle, the hat, and heard the southern drawl I knew what we were Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #110
Please, do not try that with me siligut Feb 2012 #114
My mother once dumped a bucket of ice water on me while i slept when I skipped chores for Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #144
A bucket of ice water can't kill someone. Plus your chores were important. siligut Feb 2012 #160
Neither can shooting a laptop. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #221
Did you even read the excerpt I posted? siligut Feb 2012 #224
Yes, but I do not believe they are equatable. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #226
No, the laptop had to literally die for this girl to get the message... snooper2 Feb 2012 #230
Well, I'm sitting on a horse ranch out in the sticks. EFerrari Feb 2012 #235
Stuff like this is never cut and dry elias7 Feb 2012 #22
Yes, domestic violence is cut and dried. EFerrari Feb 2012 #28
Domestic violence? Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #77
Yes, DV is hilarious. You know, if you take a poll of ten women who have been abused, EFerrari Feb 2012 #99
Taking away any child's toy is DV. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #103
Um, no, it isn't. Sounds like you're laughing at an idea you know zip about. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #130
I've seen parents take away and even dispose of toys and then have the gall to blame Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #137
Thank you for the illustration. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #139
Shooting it is treestar Feb 2012 #184
What about parent destroying their own property? Generic Brad Feb 2012 #143
He repeatedly calls it her laptop, are you sure? EFerrari Feb 2012 #151
It is legally her laptop obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #211
Domestic violence? elias7 Feb 2012 #154
The issue in DV is not who owns the property EFerrari Feb 2012 #155
I see. The issue then is whether this is domestic violence or not. elias7 Feb 2012 #208
I put up a chart in #206 that may be more helpful EFerrari Feb 2012 #209
My ex-husband spent 15 days in jail for DV LadyHawkAZ Feb 2012 #174
This was not an emotional outburst, in my view elias7 Feb 2012 #210
He destroyed her property obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #212
Kids thinking they can do whatever they want in this World, living with parents at age 35, bad snooper2 Feb 2012 #231
Sure. Kids have all kinds of magical ideas about how the world works. EFerrari Feb 2012 #234
I think this girl is going to be just fine.... snooper2 Feb 2012 #237
Well, I'm glad the police went out there EFerrari Feb 2012 #238
a file lol snooper2 Feb 2012 #240
Oh yeah, abusive men, they're a real knee slapper. EFerrari Feb 2012 #247
Once scorned - snooper2 Feb 2012 #248
Guns have a tendency to short circuit their rationality. hack89 Feb 2012 #78
Truer words were never spoken. n/t cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #145
A sledgehammer would have been just as unacceptable. pacalo Feb 2012 #216
Responsible parents take it away... originalpckelly Feb 2012 #26
Children are a reflection of the world they live in. originalpckelly Feb 2012 #38
Don't you want to know why he left home at fifteen? The Backlash Cometh Feb 2012 #59
LOL EFerrari Feb 2012 #62
Good point. pacalo Feb 2012 #217
i had my 14 and almost 17 yr old sons watch. thank laptop dad for another lessons for boys seabeyond Feb 2012 #45
Thank you for a thoughtful response... Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #52
there was a video of a 17 yr old girl that gave pictures to a BF. when he became an X he put it out seabeyond Feb 2012 #54
The girls and I have watched some news stories about things similar- Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #56
oh... and we all had a good chuckle reading the list of what the child does. you know.... seabeyond Feb 2012 #55
According to some your kids just don't know what they're talking about. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #79
lol, i know. i didnt want to go in and watch with the initial thread. seabeyond Feb 2012 #119
I'm married to an excellent child therapist. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #141
point. for me that is absolutely the point. as opposed to saying seabeyond Feb 2012 #149
sounds like you would have made a Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #150
it is seabeyond Feb 2012 #152
Funny, I asked a few family members what they though of that video. Ikonoklast Feb 2012 #159
She is the most amazing woman I know. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #222
You are SO LUCKY to have a wife like that Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #266
Wow you are all over this...you should have your attorney or cop or therapist friend contact someone snooper2 Feb 2012 #232
Wait, a child therapist thinks it's a real kick to make a video of yourself shooting Liquorice Feb 2012 #258
Thanks for this reality-based post. JohnnyLib2 Feb 2012 #53
That guy just raised the next runaway kid. The Backlash Cometh Feb 2012 #58
She is too lazy and entitled to run away former9thward Feb 2012 #63
We really don't know that. All we know is what she wrote EFerrari Feb 2012 #66
She won't be finding a new place online though. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #82
Are you kidding? He basically dared her to do it. EFerrari Feb 2012 #96
Or maybe not. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #97
Have you ever had a fifteen year old kid in your house? EFerrari Feb 2012 #116
Yes I have. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #138
LOL EFerrari Feb 2012 #140
Hard to access the internet when you're in your room with no computer and no phone. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #142
Father in video likely and stupidly created a lifetime of daughter's resentment brentspeak Feb 2012 #67
Shame is an excellent motivation tool... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #128
In the short term. In the longer term, it can screw up a kid EFerrari Feb 2012 #131
I see a lot of... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #133
Shaming a child habitually is poisonous. EFerrari Feb 2012 #135
Shaming a child laundry_queen Feb 2012 #166
Correct, there is no "net" positive result from publicly humiliating one's child brentspeak Feb 2012 #162
Well... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #169
No, it isn't similar at all. Teenagers are still learning how to how relationships EFerrari Feb 2012 #177
Whatever helps you sleep at night... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #178
Yes, it produces compliant, completely fucked up human beings. nt EFerrari Feb 2012 #180
Except when it doesn't.... JSnuffy Feb 2012 #181
I don't argue evolution with freepers and this is that same conversation EFerrari Feb 2012 #197
No it isn't -- who taught you that??? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #213
Great post. woofless Feb 2012 #68
My 17 year old had a similar reaction - her criticism was directed at the daughter. nt hack89 Feb 2012 #75
She is trying to please you and make sure you don't get on her ass. boston bean Feb 2012 #161
One would hope so - it has never been a concern of hers before hack89 Feb 2012 #173
I would not take parenting advice from teenagers. The Midway Rebel Feb 2012 #80
I saw a building imploded recently. Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #83
Kewl. The Midway Rebel Feb 2012 #85
No, but the violence was overwhelming. nt Snake Alchemist Feb 2012 #86
Oh. Sort of like "Gun Dad". The Midway Rebel Feb 2012 #88
One thing ProSense Feb 2012 #93
You are a master of profound statements... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2012 #147
Most 15 year olds are impossible and spoiled, at least in suburban America Jennicut Feb 2012 #100
My 15 year old watched it last night with me. Her reaction was very similar. riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #101
Did you point out to your daughter that that video was only one side of the story? EFerrari Feb 2012 #105
Oh its crystal clear since it's only the Dad in the video anyway riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #113
Clear to you or clear to her? EFerrari Feb 2012 #117
Crystal clear to both of us that it was just the Dad's response riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #122
That's still him, though. EFerrari Feb 2012 #124
Yeah, we just don't know exactly from that statement so I can agree. riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #125
Oh god, I remember. My younger son and I just had an armed truce from 15-19 EFerrari Feb 2012 #129
LOL!! I can't believe you said that. I got puppy fever in the worst way when this started riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #134
I swear to God, it's the truth. Maybe my older boy would have had an easier time EFerrari Feb 2012 #136
Misery loves company? Perhaps the incident gave her a distorted sense of comfort in knowing pacalo Feb 2012 #218
Perhaps. I've said we don't have enough info to judge. I've also told my story riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #239
OMG, I was certainly off the mark in my comment to you. I apologize profusely. pacalo Feb 2012 #264
So, if he would have used an AXE Rex Feb 2012 #111
Yes, Rex; using an axe would be just as violent, imo. pacalo Feb 2012 #219
I really think he should have just kept Rex Feb 2012 #260
He shot a laptop. Kingofalldems Feb 2012 #112
AFTER he spent all day and over a $100 fixing it Rex Feb 2012 #118
An IT guy would have taken out Facebook, not the one computer. EFerrari Feb 2012 #126
That was my feeling as well. That he had spent all the time doing something nice for his Puregonzo1188 Feb 2012 #175
I think he was in a 'silent rage' mode Rex Feb 2012 #245
He jumped into the deep end of the pool, didn't he? EFerrari Feb 2012 #246
He did and left his kiddie floaters at home. Rex Feb 2012 #259
but you didn't take a gun to your daughters notebook. boston bean Feb 2012 #120
No I wouldn't. nt Mother Of Four Feb 2012 #121
What YOU did varelse Feb 2012 #123
I'm mystified frazzled Feb 2012 #146
Thank you. EFerrari Feb 2012 #153
"invaded their privacy"? boppers Feb 2012 #167
Yeah, my feelings too was the daughter was a normal teenager. Puregonzo1188 Feb 2012 #176
I recommend a course on non-violent communication. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #148
Can you picture your dad doing that? DocMac Feb 2012 #158
:) TexasPaganDem Feb 2012 #163
Your kids told you what they figured you wanted to hear. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #165
I saw your post after having written post 190 below. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #192
Teenagers are smart. They can construct a whole persona and world EFerrari Feb 2012 #198
Just watched the video in question. The daughter acted like a 15 year old. So did the father. Puregonzo1188 Feb 2012 #168
I'm surprised that so many parents think their Liquorice Feb 2012 #172
Good show Zalatix Feb 2012 #179
Whatever, as teens would say. That does not make what he did OK treestar Feb 2012 #182
LOL at the responses here. The dad made his point, nobody got hurt and the girl is on her way Gman Feb 2012 #185
The dad can comfort himself in the knowledge that he "made his point"... brentspeak Feb 2012 #189
Or she can be proud that she saw what she was doing wrong Gman Feb 2012 #191
You apparently just don't get it brentspeak Feb 2012 #195
That's almost the least of it, sad as it is. EFerrari Feb 2012 #196
I actually do agree that kids need well defined boundaries. renie408 Feb 2012 #202
I agree it may not be the best way Gman Feb 2012 #225
And that might also play into our 'luck' with our kids. renie408 Feb 2012 #252
You describe exactly how much effort must Gman Feb 2012 #255
Here you go: A handy visual aid for people who don't recognize domestic violence. EFerrari Feb 2012 #206
Don't need it, but thanks anyway Gman Feb 2012 #223
If you think domestic violence is "a great way" for a father to make his point, EFerrari Feb 2012 #279
yeah - that was pretty much my take on the situation. Nice chart. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #257
I've found this whole discussion creepy as hell. EFerrari Feb 2012 #271
We often expect petulance from children. Seeing it in an adult is disappointing. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #227
Petulance is a reaction to things you don't have control over Gman Feb 2012 #263
They're telling you what you want to hear. Smart kids. 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #190
Were you TRYING to prove her point when you took her laptop away for two months? renie408 Feb 2012 #200
Worse than shooting the laptop, was the public humiliation. Youtube? Really? K8-EEE Feb 2012 #201
Exactly. He has choreography. EFerrari Feb 2012 #205
Things are so much harder now marlakay Feb 2012 #203
You have to talk about SO much stuff now. renie408 Feb 2012 #204
Good luck! marlakay Feb 2012 #207
OK, maybe I wouldn't shoot it fortyfeetunder Feb 2012 #220
That's a very mature.. sendero Feb 2012 #233
Not abuse, but endangerment Taverner Feb 2012 #249
how did he endanger his daughter? n/t Scout Feb 2012 #250
Possibility of ricochet... Taverner Feb 2012 #251
she wasn't even there..... Scout Feb 2012 #253
Of course it's abuse. Destruction of property to intimidate and control is abuse. n/t EFerrari Feb 2012 #272
I think the word "abuse" is becoming a catch-all for too many things Taverner Feb 2012 #273
You may be right about the term but very specificly, EFerrari Feb 2012 #274
I'll agree with you that it is all about power and control Taverner Feb 2012 #275
Sure, agreed. And having fundy or military parents EFerrari Feb 2012 #276
+10000 Taverner Feb 2012 #277
Omg. EFerrari Feb 2012 #278
I just showed the video to my 18 yr old son all american girl Feb 2012 #254
I've avoided this "subject" as I know my position SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #256
it isn't the girl's fault at all. Terra Alta Feb 2012 #261
I just want to congratulate you on your kids and your family Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #265
Still against the dad who shot his daughters computer brettdale Feb 2012 #270
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