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ProSense

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Fri Jun 14, 2013, 05:19 PM Jun 2013

Update to Greenwald's latest cites NYT article on Yahoo challenge to PRISM [View all]

Greenwald's update:

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UPDATE

The New York Times reports today that Yahoo went to court in order to vehemently resist the NSA's directive that they join the PRISM program, and joined only when the court compelled it to do so. The company specifically "argued that the order violated its users' Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable searches and seizures."

If, as NSA (and Silicon Valley) defenders claim, PRISM is nothing more than a harmless little drop-box mechanism for delivering to the government what these companies were already providing, why would Yahoo possibly be in court so vigorously resisting it and arguing that it violates their users' Fourth Amendment rights? Similarly, how could it possibly be said - as US government officials have - that PRISM has been instrumental in stopping terrorist plots if it did not enhance the NSA's collection capabilities? The denials from the internet companies make little sense when compared to what we know about the program. At the very least, there is ample reason to demand more disclosure and transparency about exactly what this is and what data-access arrangements they have agreed to.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/14/nsa-partisanship-propaganda-prism

So because Yahoo challenged the request, means the BS story about direct acess is true? When did the Fourth Amendment apply to foreign targets?

Glenn Greenwald's 'Epic Botch'?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023012813

From the NYT report:

SAN FRANCISCO — In a secret court in Washington, Yahoo’s top lawyers made their case. The government had sought help in spying on certain foreign users, without a warrant, and Yahoo had refused, saying the broad requests were unconstitutional.

The judges disagreed. That left Yahoo two choices: Hand over the data or break the law.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023015163


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You are like a great big Golden Retriever with a ball Vinnie From Indy Jun 2013 #1
You are like ProSense Jun 2013 #3
Spot on! Hydra Jun 2013 #6
"Pro has done a superb job the last few posts of accidentally backing up Greenwald and Snowden." ProSense Jun 2013 #10
I'm sure you wouldn't know, since you are doing such a good job Hydra Jun 2013 #12
Don't shoot the messenger! JaneyVee Jun 2013 #30
It is not the action that gets you, it is the cover up. Downwinder Jun 2013 #2
If the seizure is within the U.S., the Fourth Amendment applies. rug Jun 2013 #4
If it's ProSense Jun 2013 #7
Answered. rug Jun 2013 #11
Did Greenwald mention "sovereignty" or did he cite the "Fourth Amendment"? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #13
You did. rug Jun 2013 #15
Do you ProSense Jun 2013 #17
Give me a blue link to the brief and I'll answer you. rug Jun 2013 #18
Does it have to be "blue"? ProSense Jun 2013 #20
No, but preferably it will not lead to one of your posts. rug Jun 2013 #23
Maybe you can spend the time to find it on your own. ProSense Jun 2013 #28
Oh, I'm sure I could but then I'd miss your posts. rug Jun 2013 #29
So your interest in the issue is about me? n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #31
Isn't it all about you? rug Jun 2013 #32
Apparently, it is to you. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #33
Great questions from Greenwald. DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #5
"Pathetic spin attempt from Baghdad Bob." ProSense Jun 2013 #8
I thought that was your name? DesMoinesDem Jun 2013 #16
Clearly, you're a smart one. n/t ProSense Jun 2013 #27
I'm waiting to see if Glenn has the bombshells he promised flamingdem Jun 2013 #9
The "bombshells" are ProSense Jun 2013 #14
that's about it! flamingdem Jun 2013 #22
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #19
. ProSense Jun 2013 #21
So fast, it's almost like I'm on a list. Occulus Jun 2013 #24
. ProSense Jun 2013 #25
"...then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." Occulus Jun 2013 #26
Remember this? pintobean Jun 2013 #34
Very good catch nt Progressive dog Jun 2013 #35
Kick...nt SidDithers Jun 2013 #36
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