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In reply to the discussion: Greenwald's Latest - He is counter punching to great effect! [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)102. that's just a building
There are many building in existence already. There has been a spying apparatus since WWII at least.
National Security Act of 1947[edit]
Main articles: National Security Act of 1947 and United States National Security Council
The concept of national security became an official guiding principle of foreign policy in the United States when the National Security Act of 1947 was signed on July 26, 1947 by U.S. President Harry S. Truman.[1]:3 As amended in 1949, this Act:
created important components of American national security, such as the precursor to the Department of Defense);
subordinated the military branches to the new cabinet level position of Secretary of Defense;
established the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency;[11]
Notably, the Act did not define national security, which was conceivably advantageous, as its ambiguity made it a powerful phrase to invoke whenever issues threatened by other interests of the state, such as domestic concerns, came up for discussion and decision.[1]:3-5
The notion that national security encompasses more than just military security was present, though understated, from the beginning. The Act established the National Security Council so as to "advise the President on the integration of domestic, military and foreign policies relating to national security".[2]:52
While not defining the "interests" of national security, the Act does establish, within the National Security Council, the "Committee on Foreign Intelligence", whose duty is to conduct an annual review "identifying the intelligence required to address the national security interests of the United States as specified by the President" (emphasis added).[12]
Gen. Maxwell Taylor's essay of 1974 titled "The Legitimate Claims of National Security" has this to say:[13]
The national valuables in this broad sense include current assets and national interests, as well as the sources of strength upon which our future as a nation depends. Some valuables are tangible and earthy; others are spiritual or intellectual. They range widely from political assets such as the Bill of Rights, our political institutions and international friendships, to many economic assets which radiate worldwide from a highly productive domestic economy supported by rich natural resources. It is the urgent need to protect valuables such as these which legitimizes and makes essential the role of national security.
Main articles: National Security Act of 1947 and United States National Security Council
The concept of national security became an official guiding principle of foreign policy in the United States when the National Security Act of 1947 was signed on July 26, 1947 by U.S. President Harry S. Truman.[1]:3 As amended in 1949, this Act:
created important components of American national security, such as the precursor to the Department of Defense);
subordinated the military branches to the new cabinet level position of Secretary of Defense;
established the National Security Council and the Central Intelligence Agency;[11]
Notably, the Act did not define national security, which was conceivably advantageous, as its ambiguity made it a powerful phrase to invoke whenever issues threatened by other interests of the state, such as domestic concerns, came up for discussion and decision.[1]:3-5
The notion that national security encompasses more than just military security was present, though understated, from the beginning. The Act established the National Security Council so as to "advise the President on the integration of domestic, military and foreign policies relating to national security".[2]:52
While not defining the "interests" of national security, the Act does establish, within the National Security Council, the "Committee on Foreign Intelligence", whose duty is to conduct an annual review "identifying the intelligence required to address the national security interests of the United States as specified by the President" (emphasis added).[12]
Gen. Maxwell Taylor's essay of 1974 titled "The Legitimate Claims of National Security" has this to say:[13]
The national valuables in this broad sense include current assets and national interests, as well as the sources of strength upon which our future as a nation depends. Some valuables are tangible and earthy; others are spiritual or intellectual. They range widely from political assets such as the Bill of Rights, our political institutions and international friendships, to many economic assets which radiate worldwide from a highly productive domestic economy supported by rich natural resources. It is the urgent need to protect valuables such as these which legitimizes and makes essential the role of national security.
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Greenwald's Latest - He is counter punching to great effect! [View all]
Vinnie From Indy
Jun 2013
OP
I have always enjoyed your posts. Been meaning to say that for a while. Figured now was good.
DRoseDARs
Jun 2013
#124
So Sanchez likely didn't go to the previous intelligence briefings and she learned something.
randome
Jun 2013
#2
You are all over the map on this. On one hand you try to assure us that the NSA
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#10
You bring up a great point. We have no idea how much or how little influence the
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#42
I believe they are very limited as to what they can tell Congress. Secrecy and all that, you know. n
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#44
Damn, you got me in a corner. I dont have a better idea. This is going to get very sticky with
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#59
Your examples are exactly why I think the lies are an attempt to cover up something bigger.
HooptieWagon
Jun 2013
#114
They loved him when he was going after Bush. And that's why they hate him now, he points out the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#11
I definitely didn't love Greenwald when he said in his book he agreed with going to war in Iraq
stevenleser
Jun 2013
#21
That makes no sense. That 2006 book was about the Bush admin and it included scathing criticism.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#34
So, 3 books and millions of words against the Bush Admin are because he is overcompensating.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#73
I loved him even more for that. Someone who sincerely cared enough about his country to admit to
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#60
Wrong, so completely wrong I do not know where to start. Hillary Clinton knew about the real
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#139
That was a really lovely post, timdog. I made an OP about this and I'll reproduce it below.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#158
Never caught him in a lie and I've been reading him since he started. He has made mistakes
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#53
Do you have some backing, or does this get filed under "Internet Man Makes Baseless Claim"?
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#74
Well said. Sadly there are Democrats that yield to the comforting call of authoritarianism and the
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#47
Sometimes reality is tough to swallow. You cant force it. Whistle-blowers shake up those
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#97
So, what? He's not in office anymore and there is still massive surveillance...
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#112
Well, I agree that neither of them are the story, despite all the efforts to make them the story.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#69
I am getting confused. One one hand people are claiming that the spy programs only compile
rhett o rick
Jun 2013
#51
If you are confused (which I doubt) it's because there's more than one thing going on.
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#56
Where does it say that this information is collected in the US without a warrant?
pnwmom
Jun 2013
#103
Greenwald works for the Guardian US which in incorporated in the US and has offices in NY City.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#108
You know, the largest one in the history of the planet, that Obama has expanded. That one.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#76
You know, I'm not faulting him for his efforts to expose how the government is wrong here
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#117