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34. Then too, there was the second part of post 9:

Fri Jun 14, 2013, 10:05 PM

Jun 2013

"And because stealing and releasing classified documents -- and claiming to have thousands more of them -- is not an insignificant crime."

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PRISM Isn’t Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. “Scandal” [View all] JaneyVee Jun 2013 OP

Confusing headline. aquart Jun 2013 #1

Yeah, I agree. It implies that PRISM IS data-mining. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #2

Yup. aquart Jun 2013 #6

if PRISM is not a secret burnodo Jun 2013 #3

I don't see anyone freaking out, only DiFi & Peter King. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #4

and David Brooks, and Jeff Toobin, and Barack Obama, and.... burnodo Jun 2013 #15

Because PRISM was being falsely portrayed as collecting information pnwmom Jun 2013 #9

what does that have to do with it being secret? burnodo Jun 2013 #14

No, it's not a secret. But it was being falsely portrayed, and that's why pnwmom Jun 2013 #16

This is spin ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #5

You shoulda kept reading, it gave a link to a public record of it. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #7

Doesn't fit the fantasy? aquart Jun 2013 #8

looking on the bright side, it does explain why so many keep repeating things Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #11

Great point. thucythucy Jun 2013 #26

It most certainly is a secret neverforget Jun 2013 #41

How it works was supposed to be confidential. randome Jun 2013 #68

Agree--anyone who could call it "much-ballyhooed" marions ghost Jun 2013 #43

they already believed the liar who made shit up. DevonRex Jun 2013 #10

What are ya gonna do.. Cha Jun 2013 #58

This is Ratfuck #4 for the summer and the best one yet. Probably bubble a month as they create #5. freshwest Jun 2013 #64

Oh dear, what if none of them do as they're intended.. Cha Jun 2013 #65

This doesn't touch on Verizon or why it was forced to hand over magellan Jun 2013 #12

No, it doesn't so why are you trying to drizzle it into the mix? aquart Jun 2013 #51

Thank you for acknowledging that it doesn't magellan Jun 2013 #59

i think the 'scandal'.. which, i guess it needs to be said, doesn't tarnish.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #13

A Rose by Any Other Name......is still a rose. Th1onein Jun 2013 #17

Sheesh... gcomeau Jun 2013 #18

Yes, it is. Th1onein Jun 2013 #22

Try actually *reading* your own links gcomeau Jun 2013 #25

We seem to disagree. Th1onein Jun 2013 #63

Sigh.. gcomeau Jun 2013 #66

I know it's difficult being proved wrong... Th1onein Jun 2013 #78

You're not the only one flabbergasted gcomeau Jun 2013 #83

Thank you for the link! n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #19

Kurt is a reporter, a good writer, but that's what he is. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #20

Since it's no big deal, why is Holder going after him? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #21

Read post 9 above. thucythucy Jun 2013 #27

Sorry, I can't see post 9 Marrah_G Jun 2013 #29

Post 9 reads as follows: thucythucy Jun 2013 #30

You lost me when you said they aren't collecting data on US citizens Marrah_G Jun 2013 #31

Then read the OP and the link provided: thucythucy Jun 2013 #33

I like this comment recently posted at the Vanity fair article: marions ghost Jun 2013 #45

Actually, I agree with much of this myself. thucythucy Jun 2013 #49

I'm all for facts marions ghost Jun 2013 #54

Then too, there was the second part of post 9: thucythucy Jun 2013 #34

You really can't have it both ways though Marrah_G Jun 2013 #36

According to the most recent reports I've read, thucythucy Jun 2013 #42

I think he may be both a hero and a traitor Marrah_G Jun 2013 #52

I don't think that article said anything new. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #23

John Oliver debunks most of this. bvar22 Jun 2013 #24

+1 magellan Jun 2013 #32

PRISM is a separate program from the NSA warrant thucythucy Jun 2013 #38

Separate how? magellan Jun 2013 #40

My understanding, from reading this article and others, thucythucy Jun 2013 #44

But the metadata isn't only for calls that originate or terminate overseas magellan Jun 2013 #56

You're right, the metadata thucythucy Jun 2013 #82

Thank you for this. thucythucy Jun 2013 #28

For some rationalization is the key to happiness. But what you are stating is a bunch rhett o rick Jun 2013 #35

Doesn't the Constitution police the rules? None of the evidence could be used against you JaneyVee Jun 2013 #37

The Constitution is a piece of paper and doesnt "police" anyone. All challenges of violations of rhett o rick Jun 2013 #39

Right and marions ghost Jun 2013 #47

Let us say that there is a pesky politician that is a thorn in your side. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #67

We need the "buddy system" at the DU really bad. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #46

WHO tells us that the PRISM system marions ghost Jun 2013 #48

Who told you what about what? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #50

I am asking you marions ghost Jun 2013 #61

LOL and who told you the govt employs millions of people to listen to every phone DevonRex Jun 2013 #60

Silly marions ghost Jun 2013 #62

It's not about Snowden. It's not about Greenwald. It's not about Obama. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #74

Got anything else? marions ghost Jun 2013 #76

"If you reply, I'll just repeat my question which has not been answered, so don't bother." OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #77

What gets to me is the furor to explain (or demand) that there is nothing wrong here. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #70

This is bigger than Obama marions ghost Jun 2013 #72

I agree. And I hate to tell the deniers that the genie wont go back into the bottle. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #73

Uh oh the genie won't behave marions ghost Jun 2013 #75

naive to think NSA follows its own rules. nt quadrature Jun 2013 #53

BINGO. It interprets the law however it needs to to obtain all the info it wants. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #57

Or that those rules do anything even if they're followed Chathamization Jun 2013 #71

Sounds like what Sanchez may have been saying about being the tip of the iceberg Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #55

I'll believe what former Cato Institute and Koch Brothers employee Libertarian Glenn Greenwald Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #69

Oh good, "the rules are very specific". I feel better now. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #79

WRONG..... ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #80

As one of 7400+ Occupiers who was assaulted by police or arrested Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #81