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davidpdx

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37. We don't have a direct national interest, but that maybe a good thing

Sat Jun 15, 2013, 08:14 AM

Jun 2013

In Iraq it was obvious as daylight it was oil. As a world community we should stop the slaughtering of people which is a crime against humanity. The main problem is the lack of cooperation on the part of Russia. Now they do have direct interests in Syria.

Bill Clinton was criticized in the 90's for waiting too long to intervene in the mess with what used to be Yugoslavia. Whether that criticism was warranted or not is up to history to decide. There was genocide and crimes against humanity there. People getting killed, raped, and executed.

Also there is unrest in Turkey as well which is a neighbor of Syria and has taken in refugees.

The situation isn't getting any better, so the question is how long do we sit back and let it continue.

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Sarin my ass. they're LYING to us again. [View all] cali Jun 2013 OP

Of course malaise Jun 2013 #1

That's because Califa Jun 2013 #53

Looks like Blair is revving up again suffragette Jun 2013 #74

David Kelly will get him in the end malaise Jun 2013 #76

"You can live a lie until you die" suffragette Jun 2013 #80

One of my favorite John Lennon songs malaise Jun 2013 #102

Thanks. Now a new favorite for me, too! suffragette Jun 2013 #110

+1 russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #111

Screw Tony Blair nt 2naSalit Jun 2013 #78

Agree with that completely suffragette Jun 2013 #81

Neocon Blair TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #98

By far, the most important chemical involving Syria... nikto Jun 2013 #136

More from the same article cali Jun 2013 #2

The USA has a problem with gas, B Calm Jun 2013 #3

Exactly. dawg Jun 2013 #52

"the Obama administration has yet to offer details of what evidence it has" n/t lamp_shade Jun 2013 #4

Colin Powell has poisoned that well. Orsino Jun 2013 #9

Exactly davidpdx Jun 2013 #39

We should follow Canada's lead, don't get involved. xtraxritical Jun 2013 #116

Not getting involved has consequences as well davidpdx Jun 2013 #123

False equivalence. Jackpine Radical Jun 2013 #127

Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #138

You are entitiled to your opinion davidpdx Jun 2013 #147

We didn't get burned. go west young man Jun 2013 #145

I'm talking in terms of getting lied to davidpdx Jun 2013 #146

Yup ! russspeakeasy Jun 2013 #112

I guess they haven't finished drawing it. Marr Jun 2013 #113

They need some tubes! Enthusiast Jun 2013 #119

k&r for exposure. Laelth Jun 2013 #5

Gas SamKnause Jun 2013 #6

I like your orientation. It conforms with mine. tomp Jun 2013 #8

Gas 2 SamKnause Jun 2013 #15

absolutely, really pretty simple. tomp Jun 2013 #41

The RULING elites are a greater threat than any "terrorism". Enthusiast Jun 2013 #120

yes. NoMoreWarNow Jun 2013 #35

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2013 #7

Do you really want proof? quaker bill Jun 2013 #10

I want us not to intervene, but damn straight I also want proof of claims that Assad forces cali Jun 2013 #12

not incompatible more irrelevant. quaker bill Jun 2013 #70

Because if you're going to make a claim, you should back it up Scootaloo Jun 2013 #92

Apparently quaker bill Jun 2013 #148

She's pretty much the last DU poster who would support intervention TomClash Jun 2013 #14

Gas 3 SamKnause Jun 2013 #19

For me it's both. dkf Jun 2013 #59

The regime has NOT killed 94,000 people. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #87

But if the "freedom fighters" kill them, that makes the victims deserving, right? Scootaloo Jun 2013 #93

Also, any raped and murdered nuns the freedom fighters attack have it coming by the same logic Dragonfli Jun 2013 #103

So the regime killed all 94,000? al Qaeda killed none? You sure about that? delrem Jun 2013 #107

Why would I trust America sorefeet Jun 2013 #11

If Obama had wanted to support the rebels East Coast Pirate Jun 2013 #13

so Sarin is your "red line"? DCBob Jun 2013 #16

no, but I don't like the government lying us into military involvement. do you? cali Jun 2013 #18

so even if they could prove sarin use your still against getting involved? DCBob Jun 2013 #20

yes, I'm still against it. I don't believe it will accomplish the end to the killing cali Jun 2013 #21

so what does this mean? .. "I want fucking indisputable PROOF" DCBob Jun 2013 #25

the point is that extraordinary claims from the gov't that entail military action cali Jun 2013 #27

nearly 100,000 killed so far in the Syria conflict.. DCBob Jun 2013 #31

hey bob, do you know how many have been killed in the DRC? cali Jun 2013 #45

of course we pick and choose which conflicts to get involved in.. DCBob Jun 2013 #50

lol. you're the one that asked if we should just sit back and wait until a million are killed in cali Jun 2013 #54

I didnt say it was right to ignore millions being killed anywhere. DCBob Jun 2013 #61

Doing something should not entail throwing gasoline on the fire. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #88

With our track record, I dont agree we should always try to do something. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #90

Precisely.......nt Enthusiast Jun 2013 #121

The point is to assert that Obama is lying us into a war treestar Jun 2013 #48

yes, that point is crystal clear. DCBob Jun 2013 #51

bzzzt. gigantic fail, bobby. cali Jun 2013 #58

glad to hear that.. that's something you have going for you. DCBob Jun 2013 #62

no. that's not the point and I think Obama is a 1000x better than bush. cali Jun 2013 #57

The problem is I doubt you would believe anything they provide as proof. DCBob Jun 2013 #66

Bingo. Note post 40 nt treestar Jun 2013 #71

I answer your questions, why don't you answer mine? cali Jun 2013 #22

Dumb question.. what kind of idiot would want to be lied into a war? DCBob Jun 2013 #23

lol. your questions are hardly brilliant. cali Jun 2013 #24

perhaps.. just trying to clarify WTF you are saying. DCBob Jun 2013 #26

Even if we play in the neocon ballpark . . . TomClash Jun 2013 #17

We have no business getting involved over there Aerows Jun 2013 #30

It shouldn't be about politics,... indianjoe3295 Jun 2013 #32

We don't have a direct national interest, but that maybe a good thing davidpdx Jun 2013 #37

how long have we sat back and let the slaughter continue in the Congo? cali Jun 2013 #46

Cali, you are one of my favorite posters... choie Jun 2013 #67

Yes but it's purported, not real nt TomClash Jun 2013 #91

If you think it's a lie, blame the British and the French. They started it. bornskeptic Jun 2013 #28

Yes, I'm aware of the French and British claims, but so what? cali Jun 2013 #40

That looks like actual evidence treestar Jun 2013 #49

Well, yes, I do blame them. The old colonial masters are itching to reimpose their will. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2013 #89

Exactly. It was the French that first made the assertion that Assad was gassing his people Number23 Jun 2013 #122

I think it's a lie, too. Ilsa Jun 2013 #29

so its a lie just because there are no videos or cell phone photos? DCBob Jun 2013 #33

they have provided NO EVIDENCE. Now you want to swallow it whole, feel free cali Jun 2013 #34

not swallowing anything.. just trying to clarify what the fuss is all about. DCBob Jun 2013 #36

I think the piece I posted and those quoted, articulate what the fuss is all about. cali Jun 2013 #38

The French found evidence in bodily fluid of victims treestar Jun 2013 #55

The sight of Richard Engel mimi85 Jun 2013 #128

Sounds like a bunch of yellow cake to me. reusrename Jun 2013 #42

Arabs have been killing Arabs for thousands of years sellitman Jun 2013 #43

Europeans have been killing Europeans for thousands of years delrem Jun 2013 #108

Why lie? Uben Jun 2013 #44

There is always money to pay for war, but no money to take care of citizens. CrispyQ Jun 2013 #47

Only ones caught with Sarin gas in Syria were al Qaeda affiliated rebels. Octafish Jun 2013 #56

WMD's! WMD's! kentuck Jun 2013 #60

I don't believe either.think those missiles fired in broke containers of city supplies & harmed people Sunlei Jun 2013 #63

PNAC, AIPAC, MIC, CIA, NSA: Five sources that have ZERO credibility on this, and dangerous agendas. Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #64

Mccain ought to go fight Assad himself, if he's DirkGently Jun 2013 #65

You wouldn't know what to do with indisputable proof. You're not a chemist. MjolnirTime Jun 2013 #68

The last time we did that it turned out to be a grandly staged exercise in deceit. Ford_Prefect Jun 2013 #69

I'd just like to know if they got a chemist's report at all. snappyturtle Jun 2013 #101

+1 . I agree with Thom Hartmann too. USA stay away chknltl Jun 2013 #132

I agree with Hartman in that he says we can go into Syria but in doing so if the snappyturtle Jun 2013 #134

I'm against intervention, but if we do it, I prefer proof to lies. neverforget Jun 2013 #105

Russia, of all things, is calling us out on this. dkf Jun 2013 #72

Fuck another war darkangel218 Jun 2013 #73

Even were it true... Fearless Jun 2013 #75

Maybe they are just doing an investigation. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #77

Sarin sounds so much cooler than Yellowcake n/t leftstreet Jun 2013 #79

"And no, sorry, I don't automatically believe President Obama." ProSense Jun 2013 #82

Whew. For a minute, I thought that the top line was yours. Then I saw the quote marks. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #83

so, what if they are telling the truth? mike_c Jun 2013 #84

Well, ProSense Jun 2013 #86

Same bullshit play from the war machine whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #85

Whether lying or not, it's still a dumbass idea to get involved in another civil war. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2013 #94

Assad is WINNING TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #95

Bingo. The best proof that he did not use it. Anybody here in his shoes would not bring a GoneFishin Jun 2013 #114

The problem is, this isn't Iraq. AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #139

I have not got my bearings yet on this conflict, so I am not predisposed one way or another. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #153

There may indeed be fishy dealings on both sides of the aisle....that I don't doubt. AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #154

I don't see it myself. But in any case I am not going to be sucked in by rumors. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #156

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2013 #96

Gulf of Tonkin, or the sinking of the Maine, anyone? DirkGently Jun 2013 #97

Thank you Cali! Thank you! "Britain Prepared for War in Syria 2 Years Before Crisis Flared Up" Catherina Jun 2013 #99

I am reminded of this :- TakeALeftTurn Jun 2013 #100

See what they got away with while you were distracted? ucrdem Jun 2013 #104

"Naturally the common people don't want war. DirkGently Jun 2013 #106

This works for spying on your own citizens too. GoneFishin Jun 2013 #115

Just thinking that. DirkGently Jun 2013 #117

yeah, it's bullshit. killbotfactory Jun 2013 #109

I figured they were lying when their lips were moving. Enthusiast Jun 2013 #118

heh. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2013 #135

This post is pointless Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #124

We don't have a good track record with telling the truth ozone_man Jun 2013 #142

Coockoo heads fascisthunter Jun 2013 #125

K&R. Lips moving? MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #126

TRUST US. blkmusclmachine Jun 2013 #129

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2013 #130

But... it was the French and British that were claiming it weeks ago. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #131

What if Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #141

Your attempt at a gotcha post there is too cute by half, but you need to think deeper than the skin. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #143

I'm not convinced that the isolated use of sarin gas cheapdate Jun 2013 #149

And that post right there is how these debates SHOULD go. DRoseDARs Jun 2013 #150

Of course the rebels have access to Sarin Lugal Zaggesi Jun 2013 #155

This is what a sarin attack looks like Harmony Blue Jun 2013 #133

Who exactly has crossed that red line and I agree .... where is the proof? polly7 Jun 2013 #137

Marco Werman interviewed a chemical weapons "expert" cheapdate Jun 2013 #140

"WAR... what is it good for?"... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #144

It's probably a lie but even if it isn't bowens43 Jun 2013 #151

Fool me once........ rdharma Jun 2013 #152