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In reply to the discussion: Al Gore: NSA Surveillance Violates The Constitution Updated [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)45. Let's see what the courts think
Everyone has an opinion.
Prior to the enactment of FISA, virtually every court that had addressed the issue had concluded that the President had the inherent power to conduct warrantless electronic surveillance to collect foreign intelligence information, and that such surveillances constituted an exception to the warrant requirement of the Fourth Amendment. See United States v. Truong Dinh Hung, 629 F.2d 908, 912-14 (4th Cir. 1980), cert. denied, 454 U.S. 1144, 71 L. Ed. 2d 296, 102 S. Ct. 1004 (1982); United States v. Buck, 548 F.2d 871, 875 (9th Cir.), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 890, 54 L. Ed. 2d 175, 98 S. Ct. 263 (1977); United States v. Butenko, 494 F.2d 593, 605 (3d Cir.) (en banc), cert. denied, 419 U.S. 881, 42 L. Ed. 2d 121, 95 S. Ct. 147 (1974); United States v. Brown, 484 F.2d 418, 426 (5th Cir. 1973), cert. denied, 415 U.S. 960, 39 L. Ed. 2d 575, 94 S. Ct. 1490 (1974); but see Zweibon v. Mitchell, 170 U.S. App. D.C. 1, 516 F.2d 594, 633-651 (D.C. Cir. 1975), (dictum), cert. denied, 425 U.S. 944, 48 L. Ed. 2d 187, 96 S. Ct. 1685 (1976). The Supreme Court specifically declined to address this issue in United States v. United States District Court [Keith, J.], 407 U.S. 297, 308, 321-22, 32 L. Ed. 2d 752, 92 S. Ct. 2125 (1972) (hereinafter referred to as " Keith "
, but it had made clear that the requirements of the Fourth Amendment may change when differing governmental interests are at stake, see Camara v. Municipal Court, 387 U.S. 523, 87 S. Ct. 1727, 18 L. Ed. 2d 930 (1967), and it observed in Keith that the governmental interests presented in national security investigations differ substantially from those presented in traditional criminal investigations. 407 U.S. at 321-324.
Against this background, Congress passed FISA to settle what it believed to be the unresolved question of the applicability of the Fourth Amendment warrant requirement to electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, and to "remove any doubt as to the lawfulness of such surveillance." H.R. Rep. 1283, pt. I, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 25 (1978) ("House Report"
. FISA reflects both Congress's "legislative judgment" that the court orders and other procedural safeguards laid out in the Act "are necessary to insure that electronic surveillance by the U.S. Government within this country conforms to the fundamental principles of the fourth amendment," S. Rep. No. 701, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 13, reprinted in 1978 U.S. Code Cong. & Ad. News 3973, 3982 ("Senate Report 95-701"
, and its attempt to fashion a "secure framework by which the Executive Branch may conduct legitimate electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes within the context of this Nation's commitment to privacy and individual rights." S. Rep. No. 604, 95th Cong., 1st Sess. 15, reprinted in 1978 U.S. Code Cong. & Ad. News 3904, 3916 ("Senate Report 95-604"
. In constructing this framework, Congress gave close scrutiny to departures from those Fourth Amendment doctrines applicable in the criminal-investigation context in order
[89] to ensure that the procedures established in [FISA] are reasonable in relation to legitimate foreign counterintelligence requirements and the protected rights of individuals. Their reasonableness depends, in part, upon an assessment of the difficulties of investigating activities planned, directed, and supported from abroad by foreign intelligence services and foreign-based terrorist groups. The differences between ordinary criminal investigations to gather evidence of specific crimes and foreign counterintelligence investigations to uncover and monitor clandestine activities have been taken into account. Other factors include the international responsibilities of the United States, the duties of the Federal Government to the States in matters involving foreign terrorism, and the need to maintain the secrecy of lawful counterintelligence sources and methods.
Against this background, Congress passed FISA to settle what it believed to be the unresolved question of the applicability of the Fourth Amendment warrant requirement to electronic surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes, and to "remove any doubt as to the lawfulness of such surveillance." H.R. Rep. 1283, pt. I, 95th Cong., 2d Sess. 25 (1978) ("House Report"
[89] to ensure that the procedures established in [FISA] are reasonable in relation to legitimate foreign counterintelligence requirements and the protected rights of individuals. Their reasonableness depends, in part, upon an assessment of the difficulties of investigating activities planned, directed, and supported from abroad by foreign intelligence services and foreign-based terrorist groups. The differences between ordinary criminal investigations to gather evidence of specific crimes and foreign counterintelligence investigations to uncover and monitor clandestine activities have been taken into account. Other factors include the international responsibilities of the United States, the duties of the Federal Government to the States in matters involving foreign terrorism, and the need to maintain the secrecy of lawful counterintelligence sources and methods.
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Al Gore is not a real Democrat. He said he invented the internet & that is a proven lie.
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#1
Well, they trashed Alan Grayson and praised Peter 'we-count-the-votes) King, so you're probably
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#5
It's a bunch of think tank whiz kids looking to usurp the site IMHO. Paid shills.
grahamhgreen
Jun 2013
#92
Yet, people trashed Bill Clinton yesterday. I guess it's selective, isn't it.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#28
Bill Clinton was President for 8 years and took the same smears as President Obama.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#44
1968 all the protesters accomplished was to elect Nixon once LBJ was tossed into the sea.
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#81
Hong Kong Al! It's very interesting that he said he invented the internet! Has anyone
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#4
But but but we've been assured by latrine-educated Constitutional Experts here that that
Catherina
Jun 2013
#2
The same guy who took money from Buddhists at their temple, and then claimed that there was no
Major Hogwash
Jun 2013
#24
Well, it was much more than just those incidents that caused Gore to crash and burn.
Major Hogwash
Jun 2013
#35
Thank you Pres. Gore. But you'll remember the people falling all over themselves to....
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2013
#10
All I remember about Al Gore is that he wore warm tones. What do you remember?
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#12
Kick for the OP, and Catherina and Sabrina - women who never shirk from keeping their
Luminous Animal
Jun 2013
#11
Thank you Luminous :) And kick for you and all the other fighters here who do the same
Catherina
Jun 2013
#50
I think Al needs to have a close door session with those who actually know the specifics.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#37
Surely you see the legitimate conflicting issues of personal rights and national security.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#48
It's got nothing to do with keeping American's safer - Perhaps you should try reading a bit
TakeALeftTurn
Jun 2013
#58
Im sure I could find dozens of other national security experts would disagree with that.
DCBob
Jun 2013
#88
The very same politicians that claim we need to give up our privacy for national security
cpwm17
Jun 2013
#65
You draw the line to always favor personal rights. It's really simple, really.
TransitJohn
Jun 2013
#109
How tragic it is to actually read a thread on DU and consider how much substance it contains.
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#103
How tragic it is to actually read a thread on DU and consider how much substance it contains.
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#105
babble bullshit. do learn how to write simple sentence that makes just a wee bit of sense.
cali
Jun 2013
#106
What's tragic is what New Dems, Blue Dogs, DLC-Third Wayers are doing to the party.
Fuddnik
Jun 2013
#116
If Gore really believes this then why isnt he challenging it before SCOTUS to put the whole thing to
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#119