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71. Or that those rules do anything even if they're followed

Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:10 AM

Jun 2013

They can't target you, but they can read your e-mail when they target others. And they can't use that against you, except if they think you're doing something wrong. To say that this means they're not spying on American's is like saying SuperPACs are fine because they can't coordinate with candidates.

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PRISM Isn’t Data Mining and Other Falsehoods in the N.S.A. “Scandal” [View all] JaneyVee Jun 2013 OP

Confusing headline. aquart Jun 2013 #1

Yeah, I agree. It implies that PRISM IS data-mining. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #2

Yup. aquart Jun 2013 #6

if PRISM is not a secret burnodo Jun 2013 #3

I don't see anyone freaking out, only DiFi & Peter King. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #4

and David Brooks, and Jeff Toobin, and Barack Obama, and.... burnodo Jun 2013 #15

Because PRISM was being falsely portrayed as collecting information pnwmom Jun 2013 #9

what does that have to do with it being secret? burnodo Jun 2013 #14

No, it's not a secret. But it was being falsely portrayed, and that's why pnwmom Jun 2013 #16

This is spin ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #5

You shoulda kept reading, it gave a link to a public record of it. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #7

Doesn't fit the fantasy? aquart Jun 2013 #8

looking on the bright side, it does explain why so many keep repeating things Bodhi BloodWave Jun 2013 #11

Great point. thucythucy Jun 2013 #26

It most certainly is a secret neverforget Jun 2013 #41

How it works was supposed to be confidential. randome Jun 2013 #68

Agree--anyone who could call it "much-ballyhooed" marions ghost Jun 2013 #43

they already believed the liar who made shit up. DevonRex Jun 2013 #10

What are ya gonna do.. Cha Jun 2013 #58

This is Ratfuck #4 for the summer and the best one yet. Probably bubble a month as they create #5. freshwest Jun 2013 #64

Oh dear, what if none of them do as they're intended.. Cha Jun 2013 #65

This doesn't touch on Verizon or why it was forced to hand over magellan Jun 2013 #12

No, it doesn't so why are you trying to drizzle it into the mix? aquart Jun 2013 #51

Thank you for acknowledging that it doesn't magellan Jun 2013 #59

i think the 'scandal'.. which, i guess it needs to be said, doesn't tarnish.. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #13

A Rose by Any Other Name......is still a rose. Th1onein Jun 2013 #17

Sheesh... gcomeau Jun 2013 #18

Yes, it is. Th1onein Jun 2013 #22

Try actually *reading* your own links gcomeau Jun 2013 #25

We seem to disagree. Th1onein Jun 2013 #63

Sigh.. gcomeau Jun 2013 #66

I know it's difficult being proved wrong... Th1onein Jun 2013 #78

You're not the only one flabbergasted gcomeau Jun 2013 #83

Thank you for the link! n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #19

Kurt is a reporter, a good writer, but that's what he is. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #20

Since it's no big deal, why is Holder going after him? Marrah_G Jun 2013 #21

Read post 9 above. thucythucy Jun 2013 #27

Sorry, I can't see post 9 Marrah_G Jun 2013 #29

Post 9 reads as follows: thucythucy Jun 2013 #30

You lost me when you said they aren't collecting data on US citizens Marrah_G Jun 2013 #31

Then read the OP and the link provided: thucythucy Jun 2013 #33

I like this comment recently posted at the Vanity fair article: marions ghost Jun 2013 #45

Actually, I agree with much of this myself. thucythucy Jun 2013 #49

I'm all for facts marions ghost Jun 2013 #54

Then too, there was the second part of post 9: thucythucy Jun 2013 #34

You really can't have it both ways though Marrah_G Jun 2013 #36

According to the most recent reports I've read, thucythucy Jun 2013 #42

I think he may be both a hero and a traitor Marrah_G Jun 2013 #52

I don't think that article said anything new. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #23

John Oliver debunks most of this. bvar22 Jun 2013 #24

+1 magellan Jun 2013 #32

PRISM is a separate program from the NSA warrant thucythucy Jun 2013 #38

Separate how? magellan Jun 2013 #40

My understanding, from reading this article and others, thucythucy Jun 2013 #44

But the metadata isn't only for calls that originate or terminate overseas magellan Jun 2013 #56

You're right, the metadata thucythucy Jun 2013 #82

Thank you for this. thucythucy Jun 2013 #28

For some rationalization is the key to happiness. But what you are stating is a bunch rhett o rick Jun 2013 #35

Doesn't the Constitution police the rules? None of the evidence could be used against you JaneyVee Jun 2013 #37

The Constitution is a piece of paper and doesnt "police" anyone. All challenges of violations of rhett o rick Jun 2013 #39

Right and marions ghost Jun 2013 #47

Let us say that there is a pesky politician that is a thorn in your side. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #67

We need the "buddy system" at the DU really bad. Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #46

WHO tells us that the PRISM system marions ghost Jun 2013 #48

Who told you what about what? Major Hogwash Jun 2013 #50

I am asking you marions ghost Jun 2013 #61

LOL and who told you the govt employs millions of people to listen to every phone DevonRex Jun 2013 #60

Silly marions ghost Jun 2013 #62

It's not about Snowden. It's not about Greenwald. It's not about Obama. OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #74

Got anything else? marions ghost Jun 2013 #76

"If you reply, I'll just repeat my question which has not been answered, so don't bother." OilemFirchen Jun 2013 #77

What gets to me is the furor to explain (or demand) that there is nothing wrong here. rhett o rick Jun 2013 #70

This is bigger than Obama marions ghost Jun 2013 #72

I agree. And I hate to tell the deniers that the genie wont go back into the bottle. nm rhett o rick Jun 2013 #73

Uh oh the genie won't behave marions ghost Jun 2013 #75

naive to think NSA follows its own rules. nt quadrature Jun 2013 #53

BINGO. It interprets the law however it needs to to obtain all the info it wants. MotherPetrie Jun 2013 #57

Or that those rules do anything even if they're followed Chathamization Jun 2013 #71

Sounds like what Sanchez may have been saying about being the tip of the iceberg Life Long Dem Jun 2013 #55

I'll believe what former Cato Institute and Koch Brothers employee Libertarian Glenn Greenwald Ikonoklast Jun 2013 #69

Oh good, "the rules are very specific". I feel better now. nt wtmusic Jun 2013 #79

WRONG..... ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #80

As one of 7400+ Occupiers who was assaulted by police or arrested Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #81