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TheKentuckian

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74. I guess one can climb up on a cross for accuracy but do keep in mind that

Sat Jun 15, 2013, 02:14 PM

Jun 2013

the defense of being so greedy that you don't give a fuck if it is NAZIs that are bringing in the money isn't really one, it kinda puts you even lower than a NAZI. No matter how twisted and evil, at least they have some form of principle and wicked objectives to reach.

"He was just in it for the money" seems to even more hollow to me, not an elevated status. Completely devoid of even twisted honor, mindless avarice and soulless entropy.

Not an improvement to me, the potential to sink to anything as the "cost of doing business" is even more boundless the ideological sort who at least operate on their own framework.

A distinction with the difference of being able to actually be more pervasive and bound to nothing save Mammon. This is the sort that would never find bottom if wealth and power are at stake and in pursuit of them would do more evil than any ideological nightmare ever could over a much more sustainable period.
Both groups are full blown sociopaths so it really doesn't matter who is marginally worse for the purpose of the discussion.

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Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer. [View all] Nye Bevan Jun 2013 OP

Interesting you find the need to defend bushes. morningfog Jun 2013 #1

Ooooh, a DUer "defended a Bush". Ooooh, how "interesting". Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #5

Not clever at all. When considered in context of morningfog Jun 2013 #9

Oh noes! A "Bush defender" and a "racist"! Why has that DUer not been banned?????? (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #14

Beats the hell out of me. morningfog Jun 2013 #15

Perhaps because there are still enough people on DU who believe in freedom of speech? panzerfaust Jun 2013 #54

Bushes just want to make money treestar Jun 2013 #64

I don't believe the Bushes just want to make money. grasswire Jun 2013 #75

Your posting history indicates a complete lack of objectivity treestar Jun 2013 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author JaneyVee Jun 2013 #27

Well thank the gods you didn't try to defend Ron Paul who has killed and tortured tens of thousands sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #31

Nicely put. delrem Jun 2013 #33

You defended Thatcher too, ohhh, how "interesting" CreekDog Jun 2013 #32

How does one... Chan790 Jun 2013 #59

Thanks Ohio Joe Jun 2013 #62

So you are saying that as long as an accusation is aimed at Thatcher or the Bushes treestar Jun 2013 #65

Nye Bevan (the DUer, not the man) wrongly said that Thatcher didn't support illegal wars CreekDog Jun 2013 #66

OT somewhat, but (channeling my inner LBJ here) I'd dearly love to hear HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #96

Simple. By naming himself that, if one googles for the name CreekDog Jun 2013 #67

It's the same thing with DUers who have "dem" and "liberal" and "leftist" and "Obama" Occulus Jun 2013 #99

fuck that. I despise the bushes but I like facts more than I despise them. cali Jun 2013 #39

"According to journalist Joe Conason, Prescott Bush's involvement with UBC was purely commercial" Swagman Jun 2013 #43

yes. killing for profit. no different than the thousands upon thousands of U.S. cali Jun 2013 #46

Bush continued as director of several NAZI front companies even after we were at war with Germany panzerfaust Jun 2013 #48

You win. n/t Ian David Jun 2013 #58

Rense? And John Buchanan? Some industrial strength CT woo there. nt hack89 Jun 2013 #109

your source rense.com is on the most extreme end of batshit crazy, crackpot conspiracy theorist site Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #121

lol could it be just an attempt to be objective treestar Jun 2013 #61

Why would you try and defend the BFEE patriarch here? Electric Monk Jun 2013 #2

Because the use of cliched falsehoods that have been debunked multiple times bores me (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #6

Bores you such much you start a thread about it? morningfog Jun 2013 #11

Looks like you fly swatted it! MrMickeysMom Jun 2013 #34

WHAT mask? Occulus Jun 2013 #101

There were mods on DU back in 2004. GreenStormCloud Jun 2013 #137

Actually, the article EM provides debunks the "P. Bush is a Nazi", as well. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #12

that's true he was not. One can despise the Bush family or some of the Bush family without making Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #3

FFS, his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act Electric Monk Jun 2013 #8

And before Fritz Thyssen was arrested, he helped Hilter rise to power Rex Jun 2013 #13

and so did thousands upon thousands of U.S. business men cali Jun 2013 #41

I guess one can climb up on a cross for accuracy but do keep in mind that TheKentuckian Jun 2013 #74

This thread was tweaking my jaw until I got to your post which provides clarity. reusrename Jun 2013 #87

bush had direct financial ties to the financial angel of the nazi party. kennedy had no revealed HiPointDem Jun 2013 #84

what we see is the same sort of conspiracy theorist logic that proclaims Barack Hussein Obama Douglas Carpenter Jun 2013 #91

Well put and argued. I would go even further and say that false accusations HardTimes99 Jun 2013 #98

What a strange thing to post. Rex Jun 2013 #130

This is what happens when the community decides what's acceptable and the rules are so fluid. Occulus Jun 2013 #102

I think the jury system is great. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #123

+1. I love people who stand up for facts even when they don't fit their world view. cali Jun 2013 #40

As long as the end result is capitalism, MelungeonWoman Jun 2013 #4

But before he was arrested. Rex Jun 2013 #7

Oh, that's right. He only attempted a coup d'etat against FDR in the Business Plot. backscatter712 Jun 2013 #10

Smedley Butler great hero markiv Jun 2013 #17

But he was a leader of an attempted coup against FDR MannyGoldstein Jun 2013 #16

Without getting into the actual issue... mattclearing Jun 2013 #18

I too find it amusing davekriss Jun 2013 #30

And for the rest of the story ... panzerfaust Jun 2013 #49

Thanks for this. mattclearing Jun 2013 #60

I think this escapade had a LOT to do with GHWB "going patriot" as young as he did SoCalDem Jun 2013 #77

i don't think his private beliefs matter; he helped fund the party & hide nazi assets. if he HiPointDem Jun 2013 #85

True...Nazi Colloberator is more accurate. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #19

Prescott Bush is dead, it really doesn't matter except as history Progressive dog Jun 2013 #20

History matters. factsarenotfair Jun 2013 #22

I said matter except as history, not history doesn't matter Progressive dog Jun 2013 #23

the past is present. so 'only as history' is just crap. history is now; we are history. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #86

Unusual interpretation but meaningless to the discussion Progressive dog Jun 2013 #111

it's not unusual at all, nor is it meaningless to the discussion. the present is the product of HiPointDem Jun 2013 #114

Not in a sense that relates to the OP in my view Progressive dog Jun 2013 #116

Deflection. It isn't the nature, it's the nurture. aquart Jun 2013 #28

They inherited the money he made dealing with the Nazis. sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #35

yes and it's called 'blood money' for a damned good reason Swagman Jun 2013 #44

Yes they did and that's one of the reason's Progressive dog Jun 2013 #56

Unbelievable... hlthe2b Jun 2013 #21

Oh, is this thread in response to William Pitt's thread earlier quoting Hunter S Thompson? Electric Monk Jun 2013 #24

No wonder that set off the OP -- Thompson called out "the cowardly flag-suckers!" villager Jun 2013 #38

Gonzo journalism at its best. panzerfaust Jun 2013 #51

Just what we need in DU ... Bush Apologists ... Trajan Jun 2013 #25

So what were those legal troubles? Prescott spit on a sidewalk? aquart Jun 2013 #26

This looks interesting. Jamastiene Jun 2013 #29

More interesting is the anti-Semitic site being used to "prove" the OP is false. Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #37

let's face it : most nazis were probably not really nazis... Swagman Jun 2013 #45

what anti-semitic site? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #88

rense.com Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #92

where is it cited in this thread? HiPointDem Jun 2013 #94

Really? Right below where you just posted! Now below my post! Behind the Aegis Jun 2013 #95

ok. i see, thanks. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #97

wishing I could H2O Man Jun 2013 #134

Perhaps a more factual look would help. mbperrin Jun 2013 #36

Fritz Thyssen was an avid Nazi supporter and funded them but was arrested Swagman Jun 2013 #42

It's not limited to NY either... nebenaube Jun 2013 #107

So was Averell Harriman a Nazi? If Prescott was than surely he was too, right? cali Jun 2013 #47

harriman also did business with nazis and helped hide nazi assets. what difference do his private HiPointDem Jun 2013 #89

Seems some here cannot stand it when someone types the truth. Rex Jun 2013 #131

But he did trade with the enemy dipsydoodle Jun 2013 #50

I encourage everyone to thoroughly study the putrid history of the Bush family. David__77 Jun 2013 #52

If he was truly on the up and up cap Jun 2013 #53

worse, he was a profiteer. and should have been charged under The Trading With The Enemy Act. hobbit709 Jun 2013 #55

Funny about DU trumad Jun 2013 #57

As Eleanor Roosevelt said, Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #69

And as trumad said-- trumad Jun 2013 #72

Does this mean the "2 terms and switch parties" rule is still in effect? Junkdrawer Jun 2013 #68

Yes he was. Iggo Jun 2013 #70

He wasn't in uniform, but he shared many NAZI goals. Octafish Jun 2013 #71

I've been sitting here reading this thread thinking "Where's Octafish when you need him?!!" summerschild Jun 2013 #118

Wall Street and MIComplex meets NAZIs, Mafia, Eugenicists, Big Oil... Octafish Jun 2013 #124

You never cease to amaze! summerschild Jun 2013 #125

Seconded! H2O Man Jun 2013 #136

Fuck that whole family. zappaman Jun 2013 #73

Looks like the Jebbies are trying to clean up the past elfin Jun 2013 #76

I watched them rewrite Wikipedia for months in advance of 2004 elections summerschild Jun 2013 #119

Rumor alone is sufficient proof of guilt. Aristus Jun 2013 #78

The Bush family was run out of Ohio or a reason! n/t Soundman Jun 2013 #79

well, i guess if the adl says so, we must believe. even though whatever his *beliefs,* he was HiPointDem Jun 2013 #80

really? the bush family? shit they were nothing compared to the koch family madrchsod Jun 2013 #81

There is no connection between the american koch family and ilse koch whatsoever. HiPointDem Jun 2013 #82

Koch is a common German surname. HooptieWagon Jun 2013 #105

the american kochs came to the US from Netherlands in the 1880s. They're nothing to do HiPointDem Jun 2013 #115

He did attempt to overthrow the FDR presidency for a fascist corporatocracy. Initech Jun 2013 #83

Doesn't negate the fact that George W Bush is a torturing and murdering war criminal who Lint Head Jun 2013 #90

Don't worry, you can go vote for Jeb in 2016 NightWatcher Jun 2013 #93

If I remember correctly... jmowreader Jun 2013 #100

Hmm... Electric Monk Jun 2013 #103

Yes.. nebenaube Jun 2013 #108

Bullshit... nebenaube Jun 2013 #104

So he was not part of the plot to overthrow Roosevelt? intaglio Jun 2013 #106

You need to look every closely at sources for this story hack89 Jun 2013 #112

Revisionist claptrap Drew Richards Jun 2013 #110

That may be true, BUT..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2013 #113

He was a war profiteer Taverner Jun 2013 #117

Why did you post this? Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2013 #120

Asked and answered. Read the thread (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #122

That's my understanding too. NaturalHigh Jun 2013 #126

The unrec feature needs to be returned. Dawson Leery Jun 2013 #127

Prescott Bush was charged with Trading With The Enemy and his assets were seized. Zen Democrat Jun 2013 #128

ADL defending the Nazi-financing Bush! Love it! JackRiddler Jun 2013 #129

Henry Ford was a Fascist too Generic Other Jun 2013 #132

Welcome to ignore.... truebrit71 Jun 2013 #133

. Nye Bevan Jun 2013 #135

At the very least Spirochete Jun 2013 #138

Grandson George Walker Bush is a NAZI stooge. Octafish Jun 2013 #139