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19. And they could not get a FISA warrant based on "Russia said he's been radicalized."

Sat Jun 15, 2013, 03:17 PM

Jun 2013

It's very difficult to access the phone records of American citizens and green card holders.

"The classic example, experts say, of operating internationally is training in an al-Qaeda camp in the Pakistani hinterlands. To be sure, to get a FISA warrant the standard is higher for American citizens and green-card holders (like Tamerlan) — the FBI has to show the suspect is knowingly engaging in international terrorism or preparing for it on behalf of a terrorist group. If the suspect isn’t a citizen or green-card holder, then you just have to show the suspect is a member of terrorist group."

Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/04/20/why-the-fbi-white-house-will-face-hard-questions-about-their-boston-bombing-interviews/#ixzz2WDqj90sN

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A question about the NSA debate for any parents out there. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2013 OP

Parents would give up their lives for their kids. Is there anything they would disallow? dkf Jun 2013 #1

I don't know. And that is the problem. That is why there will always be a struggle pnwmom Jun 2013 #2

Yep. "Think about the children!" justifies all sorts of awful things. (nt) Posteritatis Jun 2013 #8

Well I'm thinking of how the children would live with an oppressive government. dkf Jun 2013 #15

The number one cause of childhood deaths in this country is automobile accidents WestStar Jun 2013 #3

I realize that of course. But could you please answer my question pnwmom Jun 2013 #10

good and thoughtful post. thanks. Whisp Jun 2013 #4

I remember that video. Thanks! And there was a perfect example at Sandy Hook. pnwmom Jun 2013 #13

It doesn't matter what *anyone* is willing to give up magellan Jun 2013 #5

Rights are not absolute. Not speech, nor privacy. There are circumstances for the Common Good where KittyWampus Jun 2013 #6

+1. nt pnwmom Jun 2013 #11

That's all well and good. magellan Jun 2013 #17

+1 treestar Jun 2013 #67

Do you have children? Could you answer my question, please? pnwmom Jun 2013 #7

I don't have children magellan Jun 2013 #18

That would be entirely unworkable. But having cars manufactured with breathalyzers pre-installed pnwmom Jun 2013 #20

Great! Then be prepared for the continued deaths magellan Jun 2013 #26

There would still be a reduction in deaths, just as safety-locks on guns pnwmom Jun 2013 #28

You didn't answer my question. magellan Jun 2013 #31

I don't know. What are the options? But I think I'm okay pnwmom Jun 2013 #50

This message was self-deleted by its author magellan Jun 2013 #31

And then there was Boston nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #9

And they could not get a FISA warrant based on "Russia said he's been radicalized." DevonRex Jun 2013 #19

they can't win treestar Jun 2013 #68

Actually, when I saw that post HappyMe Jun 2013 #12

Or the kids at Sandy Hook elementary. If those deaths could have been prevented pnwmom Jun 2013 #14

Not just 200 deaths Andy823 Jun 2013 #16

May I suggest a long reading of the Church Committee nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #21

Terrorists can be internal threats. pnwmom Jun 2013 #23

So you are ok with infiltrating peace groups nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #25

None of this stuff is needed for that treestar Jun 2013 #70

Is that ok? neverforget Jun 2013 #72

Probably. If you are out in public starting a group, anyone can walk up to it treestar Jun 2013 #73

Wow nebenaube Jun 2013 #42

Plus, how did they get the information for that memo? treestar Jun 2013 #69

So the question is Andy823 Jun 2013 #33

The reality is that these programs are over bloated nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #38

I am not afraid of "communists" Andy823 Jun 2013 #39

No surveillance can guarantee what you want nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #40

One more time Andy823 Jun 2013 #41

Exactly. HappyMe Jun 2013 #44

I am sorry you are that afraid. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #53

OK Andy823 Jun 2013 #56

It's not whether they are acceptable or not nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #58

no. nebenaube Jun 2013 #43

Really Andy823 Jun 2013 #45

because none of it works... nebenaube Jun 2013 #52

OK Andy823 Jun 2013 #57

You should read what Richard Clarke has to say nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #61

No... nebenaube Jun 2013 #74

Yes. And imagine if there was another 9/11 -- or something much worse. pnwmom Jun 2013 #22

Yep Andy823 Jun 2013 #46

that's a good point treestar Jun 2013 #71

I agree. HappyMe Jun 2013 #24

That is an imaginary scenario supported by nothing. Jesus, just stop it. n/t DirkGently Jun 2013 #27

I'm responding to an earlier OP that took your basic point of view. pnwmom Jun 2013 #29

Okey doke. Just trying to help. nt. DirkGently Jun 2013 #30

Here's one for you. Since we all know there will be some abuse of any power, Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #34

^^^this^^^ malokvale77 Jun 2013 #54

The OP is only interested in hyperbolic bait pulled out of the right side of the drama box. Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #60

I know... malokvale77 Jun 2013 #63

Parents accept that their kids may be killed FarCenter Jun 2013 #35

But would it be okay with you if we stopped collecting meta-data pnwmom Jun 2013 #48

I would prefer that NSA continue to collect and store metadata from all of the telecom carriers FarCenter Jun 2013 #65

Ask that question to the parents of kids in the military Duer 157099 Jun 2013 #36

I think the idea that the program will save 200 people a year, hughee99 Jun 2013 #37

My thought was... malokvale77 Jun 2013 #47

I don't believe Snowden's claim that he could have looked at anyone's emails or other personal pnwmom Jun 2013 #49

The tip of the iceberg malokvale77 Jun 2013 #51

I do not have kids but I do have a loving family of which I dont have any one of them killed in a Thinkingabout Jun 2013 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jun 2013 #59

I'd break every law on the books for my kids if I knew it would protect them DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #62

If you think this is all OK... malokvale77 Jun 2013 #64

There can never really be an actual choice like that treestar Jun 2013 #66

Frankly, that question smacks of the questions asked of conscientious objectors - Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #75